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- From: billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)
- Subject: Re: Igniters
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.002329.20896@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Corvallis, Oregon USA
- References: <C1JF2o.Lv3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:23:29 GMT
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- ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes:
- : In article <1993Jan26.145748.3731@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- :
- : >Note that the voltage applied tells us very little. We don't even know if
- : >that is sufficient voltage drop, across the ignitor, to cause it to ignite.
- : >All we know is that this is a minimum value - practical values are likely
- : >to be higher. How much, we cannot determine, because he did not tell us about
- : >his test setup.
- :
- : >Now, this problem could have been eliminated very simply. All he would have
- : >had to do was measure the circuit current. Then, it does not matter how the
- : >resistances of the circuit may be distributed. You know that, if a certain
- : >current flows, then the ignitor will function.
- :
- : Well, actually, I think its a good idea, *provided* he measures
- : the actual voltage drop across the ignitor, or uses a current source
- : with very little internal resistance. Current is dependent only on
- : the voltage drop and the resistance of the ignitor, and the latter
- : value can easily be determined and shouldn't vary from sample to
- : sample.
-
- That was my point - we have no way of knowing how the voltage was
- obtained. Voltage is fine, for a short run using a large wire size.
- It is not good when running 500 feet of twinlead 22 gauge wire. There
- is quite a bit if voltage drop in the wiring alone.
-
- : Measuring either the current or voltage drop is difficult, since the
- : reading is instantaneous (one the thing goes off your circuit is bro-
- : ken) so perhaps measuring cell voltage and using thick, short wires
- : might be a good compromise, especially if he uses nicads (very low
- : internal resistance). Actually, this should be useful info, since (es-
- : peacially with smaller setups) one simply uses a given number of cells
- : to fire off the ignitor - one doesn't worry about building a current-
- : regulated circuit.
-
- To make it even more difficult, the current drops - as the ignitor heats
- up.
-
- The article added nothing to our empirical knowledge - that a well charged
- 12 volt battery is sufficient for rapid ignition of all currently supplied
- ignitors - even with fairly long runs of small (20 or 22) gauge wire.
-
- Bill
-