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- From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu (Roger Wilfong)
- Newsgroups: rec.models.rockets
- Subject: Re: Tracking
- Message-ID: <19930126163655.Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 20:36:00 GMT
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- In Article <1993Jan26.200215.12845@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> "billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson)" says:
- > soc1070 writes:
- > : In article <1993Jan26.011603.22455@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com>, billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes...
- > : >:
- > : >: As for decent rates, I think a basic problem would be that two
- > : >: different rockets, each exactly the same weight and with the
- > : >: same size 'chutes, would fall at different rates, because the one
- > : >: with the larger exposed area (i.e. fins, tube, etc) would be carried
- > : >: further down wind. A one pound rocket and a one pound sphere with
- > : >: identical chutes will not likely fall in the same place, so its
- > : >: difficult to say. In your case, what you computed was the *closest*
- > : >: possible distance.
- > : >
- > : >This is a little misleading. They will both fall at the same rate.
- > : >They will not fall at the same descent angle - the one with the greater
- > : >lateral area of resistance will drift further.
- > : >
- > :
- > : You are correct. When I first posted that, I started to type that the
- > : decent rates would be the same, then I confused myself and thought the
- > : rates would be different. Must be work-related stress :)
- > :
- > : The decent rate is constant, the speed of the model relative to the
- > : ground changes.
- >
- > Actually, my response is also incorrect. Given a constant wind velocity,
- > the speed relative to the ground will also be identical - regardless of
- > the respective lateral wind resistance of the objects.
- >
- > : There are also other factors: thermals, sinks, gusts, wind direction
- > : changes, etc. All will effect the landing point of a model. I once thought
- > : of writing a computer program to figure the landing area of a model,
- > : but there are just too many variables changing too fast (or unmeasurable).
- >
- > When the velocity changes rapidly, then the velocity over the ground will
- > not be identical. Constant thermals and sinks will not affect ground speed.
- >
-
- Of course, what were really interested in is how far down range the rocket
- lands. That 'B' egglofter I chased for 1.5 hours was only moving at 4 or 5
- miles ground speed (same as the 1/2A streamer I'd chased earlier) but I have
- no idea how far away it landed - I gave up when it disappeared as a tiny dot
- over head - I don't think an X-form would have made any difference in that
- thermal :-)
-
- -Roger
-