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- From: Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu (Roger Wilfong)
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- Subject: Re: Igniters
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 09:52 edt
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- In Article <634@rml.UUCP> "jack@rml.UUCP (jack hagerty)" says:
- > In article <1993Jan21.010654.3022@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> billn@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
- > >Roger.Wilfong@umich.edu (Roger Wilfong) writes:
- >
- > [talking about AmSpam "ignitor" article]
- >
- > >: It was the lack of that information that disapointed me.
- > >
- > >Agreed - the research was very poorly conducted. The person also did not
- > >seem to know too much about thermodynamics. I would have been interested
- > >in the energy output curves.
- > >
- > >It would also have been nice if the person had done some testing of just
- > >how fragile the various igniters were.
- > >
- > >All in all, I found the articles rather useless.
- >
- > I think you guys have both picked up on my main complaint about Douglas
- > Kirk, M.S., Directory of the Model Rocket Test Facility (tm) that I
- > moaned about in my tirade a couple of weeks ago. (Said tirade, BTW, was
- > almost universally ingnored by this group. Whatsa matter, can't be
- > bothered by such small fry?)
-
- I didn't ignore it, I threw fuel on the fire (sorry, make that flammable
- solids - if reloads are as fire proof as this group has been, DOT shouldn't
- be concerned).
-
- As a follow-up to my comment of the MRTF's product testing requirements. I
- talked with the local manufacturer who was put off by the MRTF's
- requirements and got real numbers.
-
- As a requirement for testing a company's products, the company must supply
- five (5) of each kit to be tested, plus motors, plus a launch pad, plus a
- launch controller. Five of each kit - that is as more than most hobby shop
- orders.
-
- > Mr. Kirk apparently conducted his "research" based not on any study to
- > determine what parameters made an ignitor work, but rather on what tests
- > he was able to perform.
-
-
- > Why did he vary the voltage and not the current? Because he could! Why didn't
- > he vary the current?
-
- Well. Varying the voltage is a way to vary the current. But if you don't
- measure the current, it's lost.
-
- > Does dipping an ignitor in plastic
- > and firing it under water determine how well it can ignite a rocket motor?
-
- Don't you dip your rockets in plastic and launch them from under water?
- You're missing out on valuable mission point on that scale Trident. :-)
- > I don't know, but it was a good test!
- >
- > The thing that still gnaws at me is that this guy is passing himself off
- > as an athority, and his "research" will probably be taken as gospel by
- > the Grammar/High School age crowd which is still the main target of the
- > NAR educational programs. When I saw the first installment, I was hoping
- > for an article like Matt Steele's excellent study of black powder CATO's
- > a few issues back. But when I saw the name at the top (and on all the
- > captions, and tables, and sidebars) I just groaned.
-
- I have to agree with you. Albeit uncomfortably. I really don't like to
- complain about others contributions to the magazine, when I haven't made
- any contributions. Shoot Peter keeps bugging me to write up my "TwOnyx" and
- camera payload for T-minus-5.
-
- BTW, I don't have an MS. Just a BS - or is that what I'm full of - I can
- never keep that straight.
-
- -Roger
-