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- From: bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D. Silverman)
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- Subject: Re: What is so terrible about doubling offshape?
- Keywords: Double
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.000528.19866@linus.mitre.org>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 00:05:28 GMT
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- In article <1jplhnINNprt@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> shamrake@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Danil Suits) writes:
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- :Mr. Silverman:
- :--Noone is afraid of making offshape doubles. There are SYSTEMS that
- :--use them. But if you are going to make a **takeout** double, then you
- :--MUST have support for unbid suits.
- :
- : I had always understood that standard expert practice was to use
- : (1 suit) X
- : as EITHER 'takeout' or a hand too strong to take another action.
- : A hand too good for an overcall, for example, would under these
- : agreements double, then bid the suit freely later. Am I that
-
- It assumes you have a suit GOOD ENOUGH to rebid. AQxx just isn't
- good enough to first double then bid. The overall strength of the
- hand alone is not enough; you need a biddable suit.
-
- I also know a lot of players who do not have an upper limit on
- overcalls.
-
-
- :--Noone has suggested pass on the given hand. 1S and 1NT are both
- :--reasonable. But a double is ridiculous. You can't handle a diamond
- :--response from partner.
- :
- : On many player's cards I see the 1nt overcall marked as 15-17? Do
-
- Whose? Most of the time I see 15-18. However, to downgrade a hand a point
- or two because of a stiff K is much less of a distortion than doubling
- with a stiff in an unbid suit.
-
- : experts play the bid that way? I seem to remember that Bergen prefers
- : 14-16. Over either of these ranges, using the principle above,
- : doubling then bidding notrump is very reasonable.
-
- But partner will respond at the two level or higher if he has a minor,
- rather than spades, and the hand just isn't good enough to double then
- bid NT at the 2 level. [or higher]. It just doesn't have a source of
- tricks.
- --
- Bob Silverman
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