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- From: leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
- Subject: Re: new initiative
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.054900.6238@qiclab.scn.rain.com>
- Reply-To: Leonard.Erickson@f51.n105.z1.fidonet.org
- Organization: SCN Research/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.
- References: <1j88d1INNaom@leela.CS.ORST.EDU> <1993Jan17.002353.20545@reed.edu> <1jb0r2INNjfu@flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU> <1993Jan18.235450.19756@reed.edu> <1jgcruINNjp8@leela.CS.ORST.EDU>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 05:49:00 GMT
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- downsj@atlantis.CS.ORST.EDU (jason downs) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan18.235450.19756@reed.edu>,
- > nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
- >>I want children in schools to be taught things about homosexuality
- >>comparable to what they are taught about heterosexuality. [...]
-
- >along with the other "social" aspects you listed, thanks to liberals,
- >children are taught far, far more about heterosexuality in the public
- >schools than just the "social" aspects.
-
- In such a boring manner, and with such a "technical" presentation
- as to be essentially worthless.
-
- >since they generally are taught how to have "straight" sex in middle
- >schools, and are provided condoms in order to practice what they're taught,
- >i can only assume that you're in support of far more than just the
- >teaching of the "social" aspects of homosexuality in the public schools.
- >since you stated you wish homosexuality to be taught in the same manner
- >as heterosexuality.
-
- 1. please provide references thaty show that they are taught how to
- have straight sex. I *seriously* doubt that they are taught how.
- More likely there will be a *reference* to something like "intercourse
- involves the insertion of the penis into the vagina". And that's as
- much "how to" as you get. Big deal...
- 2. You are putting words into his mouth. You are assuming all right. But
- with no justification. You are arguing that he "must" mean that
- because that is what you are against. Non sequitir.
-
-
- >public schools shouldn't be involved in sex at all, it simply attributes
- >to more teens having sex, and thus more teenage pregnancies, and thus
- >(no doubt soon to be urged upon them by the school itself) more abortions.
-
- Oh really? The figures seem to argue otherwise. And distibuting condoms
- is a recognition of the *fact* that telling the kids "don't have sex"
- DOES NOT WORK.
-
-
- >>There is no similar culturation about issues of gays and lesbians. If
- >>they know anything about homosexuality, it's probably more along the
- >>lines of "smear the queer" than a realistic and positive portrayal of
- >>the existence of a significant number of Americans.
-
- >but that *isn't* how liberalism would present homosexuality within the
- >public education system. see above.
-
- That isn't not they way that *you* think it would be presented. It *is*
- they we that we *want* it presented. You seem to have this idea that
- gays are trying to "recruit". And it's utter hogwash.
-
- >>The latest OCA crap would make this sort of education impossible.
-
- >thank god.
-
- You are willing to prevent the kind of education Nelson is talking
- about because you are afraid that it will go "too far". And thus, to
- "protect" the children you are willing to allow *huge* numbers
- of teenagers to die needlessly.
-
- --
- Leonard Erickson leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com
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