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- From: pearson_steven@tandem.com (Steven R. Pearson)
- Subject: Re: rollover into 2 funds, ok?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.210704.10315@tandem.com>
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 21:07:04 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.003502.1313@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
- >
- > In article <C183pt.MrE@news.cso.uiuc.edu> acheng@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Albert Cheng) writes:
- > >
- > >In article <1993Jan21.185622.20641@cbnews.cb.att.com>, ask@cbnews.cb.att.com (Arthur S. Kamlet) writes:
- > >>Each Fund may charge you a custodian fee; Vanguard charges $10 per
- > >>year per fund. You should make this fee a separate payment, written
- > >>with a separate check. Otherwise you will have withdrawn (perhaps a
- > >>Not Permitted withdrawal) the fee from your account; the Fund
- > >>Custodian will take the fee from your account and you will be stuck
- > >>with a withdrawal.
- > >
- > >Is that (custodian fee from accout) count as withdrawal? I have a
- > >403b with Fedility with $12 a year fee. They just take $4 each
- > >quarter (Hm... that does not add up.) for fee. Fedality never
- > >sends me any bill for it; they just do it. Will IRS go after me
- > >for this "early withdrawal" that is not initiated by me?
- >
- > If you get a 1099-R then assume it is a withdrawal. It is even iof
- > you don't get a 1099.
-
- I'd be interested to see what point of law, IRS ruling, etc. backs up this
- interpretation. Why is an annual account fee any different that the other
- sundry fees one might pay in an IRA account (commissions, various kinds
- of mutual fund annual fees, whatevewr)? Just because the law allows one
- to pay for this without considering it to be a contribution to the IRA does
- not imply that it is always considered a fee paid outside the IRA account.
-
- For my own part, I have never received a notice that the fee was considered
- a distribution. And in at least one case, I refuse to throw good money after
- bad. (Back in my naive days, some $^%^&* financial planner talked me into
- buying some RELPs for my IRA. The only thing that seems to be growing
- there is the annual fee. I can only hope the account balance eventually goes
- to zero...)
-
- > The idea of putting money into an IRA is to get it to build up and
- > compound tax deferred. The more you have in the account the more it
- > will build, it says here in fine print.
- >
- > So it's to your advantage to pay the custodian fee yourself.
-
- In the spirit of not letting a good thing go untarnished...
-
- You realize, of course, if you pay outside the account, you will be
- taxed on that $12 TWICE (once now, and once later, as you get no
- later benefit for making what is essentially a $12 after-tax contribution.)
-
- (maybe this isn't true if you're already over the hurdle on misc deductions;
- the IRA fee might be deductible there if paid outside the account)
-
-
- Regards, -steve p. (opinions mine, no warranty)
-