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- From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)
- Newsgroups: misc.fitness
- Subject: Re: The fittest people on the planet.
- Keywords: balance in life
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 23:30:30 GMT
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- >>In article <1k6dfuINNi49@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:
- >In article <C1Hnyw.5zy@csn.org> pae@teal.csn.org (Phil Earnhardt) writes:
-
-
- >Eating clean is not unhealthy. And just because they eat more than normal
- >people doesn't mean that it is in some way unnatural.
-
- Bodybuilders eat a low-fiber diet. If they instead ate a high-fiber diet,
- they would be unable to meet their need for calories because
- fiber adds bulk without adding calories. In addition, bodybuilders
- who are unsupervised often have silly ideas about their nutritional
- needs.
-
-
- > What I am trying to say is that I am not convinced that there
- >is not *some* way to take performance enhancing drugs in a safe manner.
-
- If that's "what you are trying to say," then I agree. But I'm talking
- about world-class bodybuilders, i.e. those who risk their health to earn
- that distinction.
-
-
- >Whats your point? Sex is dangerous if not done safely.
- >If you're saying that lifting heavy weights is in itself dangerous, then
- >I say that you are dead wrong. As a matter of fact, there have been
- >many studies that indicate improving muscle mass is a very healthy
- >pursuit.
-
- My point is that to become a world-class bodybuilder, you must walk a
- thin line between what is safe and what is unsafe. It means risking
- permanent disability to cartilage, muscles, ligaments, tendons, bones, and
- nerves. Surely you've met former bodybuilders with permanently disabled
- backs, and you haven't seen how awful bodybuilders look after they get older?
- In fact, persons involved in bodybuilding in their youth who become sedate
- as they age, have shorter life expectancies than persons who are sedate all
- their lives.
-
-
-
- >>In addition, world-class bodybuilders have weak hearts relative to their
- >>body sizes because the intensity of their strength training leaves them no
- >>energy for aerobic training.
-
- >This is stupid, unfounded and quite possibly one of the most ridiculous
- >things I've heard in a good while.
-
- Divide a group of bodybuilders into two groups. One group does
- bodybuilding. The other group does bodybuilding and aerobic
- exercise. The group that only does bodybuilding will be stronger. As a
- consequence, world-class bodybuilders should not do aerobic exercise,
- since strength is their only goal. Therefore, their heart may become weak
- relative to their skeletal muscles. This means they can perform physical
- feats too dangerous for their heart to endure. In extreme cases, they can't
- even walk a flight of stairs without losing their breath.
-
-
- >>By the way, "fitness or being fit" by definition refers only to the heart,
- >>and since bodybuilders are focused on their skeletal muscles, fitness is
- >>inappropriate terminology.
-
- >Maybe only in George Clark-land does that definition apply.
- >But as I said above, there is no
- >evidence that bodybuilders have small and weak hearts.
-
- In sports medicine, physiologists define fitness as the strength of your
- heart, and it is measured by your VO2 max and by your recovery pulse rate.
- These measurements can become dangerously low for bodybuilders who must
- necessarily avoid aerobic exercise. They literally have no endurance. You
- will never see a world-class bodybuilder out jogging, for example. Their
- heart can't handle it. The V02 max of a competitive athlete whose sport is
- sprinting or swimming can easily exceed the VO2 max of a bodybuilder twice
- his weight. That should be enough to make anyone think twice about
- becoming a bodybuilder.
-
- . . .
-
- I think we are discussing two different things. You are discussing
- bodybuilding, in general, whereas I'm discussing those bodybuilders who
- strive to be world class.
-
- General bodybuilding is great, and I train with free weights myself.
- Furthermore, this is essential for anyone to be competitive in sports.
- I also think everyone young and old, male and female should be involved
- in strength training.
-
- However, the people I'm talking about are those who are willing to risk
- it all, so they can be the strongest person in the world. Perhaps had I
- made my point more clearly, you would have been more receptive.
-