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- From: chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg)
- Subject: Re: PC Unix/Xenix vendors
- Message-ID: <2B62D876.3982@tct.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:57:09 GMT
- References: <1993Jan18.193031.971@compu.com> <C188DI.EHE@ddsw1.mcs.com> <2B6010B6.14DF3@tct.com> <ADAMS.93Jan23013219@PDV2.pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de>
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- According to adams@pdv2.fmr.maschinenbau.th-darmstadt.de (Adams):
- >In article <2B6010B6.14DF3@tct.com> chip@tct.com (Chip Salzenberg) writes:
- > > Sun can't amortize SPARC development costs like the PC clone makers can.
- >
- >Why? Chip development was done by Cypress, Logitec, TI, NEC or Fujitsu
- >[unsure] etc., but outside of SUN. SUN told them just specifications.
-
- CPU development isn't the point. It's the rest of the computer that
- counts. Of all computer markets, only the PC clone market has driven
- the creation of whole-motherboard chip sets, such as by OPTi and
- Chips&Technologies. And common peripheral boards for the ISA bus are
- so cheap you can practically give them away.
-
- >> PC UNIX rides that wave of good and cheap hardware,
- >Current cheap PC hardware does not seem to match current challenge very
- >well. Why do you think do Local Bus etc occur concurrently to GUIs?
-
- You've missed the point. The PC clone market is so large, and they
- payoff for price/performance improvement is so good, it is
- economically feasible to throw dollars at re-engineering the
- architecture when its age starts to show -- and such re-engineering
- does not sacrifice software compatibility. Local bus video is one
- result of this process; it has breathed new life into PC clones used
- for graphics-intensive applications (and/or with GUIs).
-
- >At least here in Europe, one can prove, that workstations based
- >on PC will be tremedously more expensive than one based on SPARC.
-
- If that's true, perhaps the process of exporting the computers, with
- tariffs etc, throws prices off.
-
- >Do not forget, that clone makers start to focus on SPARC meanwhile.
-
- You mean they're beginning to consider diversifying, in addition to
- maintaining the continuously profitable PC clone industry.
-
- >Window NT is targeted to processors like Mips R3000/R4000 and DEC/alpha.
-
- And the 486.
-
- >Next versions of OS/2 will be based on a mciro kernel, and IBM sees
- >OS/2 just as one step into distributed computing (DCE) and propose
- >their PowerRisc therefor.
-
- OS/2, microkernel or no, will run on the 486 for the forseeable future.
- --
- Chip Salzenberg at Teltronics/TCT <chip@tct.com>, <73717.366@compuserve.com>
- "you make me want to break the laws of time and space / you make me
- want to eat pork / you make me want to staple bagels to my face /
- and remove them with a pitchfork" -- Weird Al Yankovic, "You Make Me"
-