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- From: erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.hardware
- Subject: Re: 68000 & Lisa VM (was Re: Motorola's 68060 for the Mac)
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 13:13:54 PDT
- Organization: Reigning Cats and Dogs
- Message-ID: <D2150056.oj60ii@erics.infoserv.com>
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- jchandy@crhc.uiuc.edu (John Chandy) writes:
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- > In article <77386@apple.apple.COM> north@Apple.COM (Don North) writes:
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- > >In article <D2150056.oaq0me@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
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- > >>I don't know how this was accomplished. When the 68000 first came out
- > >>it was not designed to support virtual memory. At the company I was
- > >>then working for, we did a lot of looking to see how we might get around
- > >>the limitations that prevented implementing VM. Finally we decided that
- > >>there were some instructions (notably the block move instructions I
- > >>think) for which not enough information was saved on page fault to enable
- > >>them to be restarted. Possibly Apple's compiler never generated these
- > >>instructions? On the systems I was working on, we couldn't guarantee
- > >>that users wouldn't program in assembly language and use these instructions.
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- > >The Lisa OS and H/W implemented a segmentation-based VM environment. It
- > >was not a demand-paged system as are most today (ie, Mac VM in Apple's case).
- > >References that might cause a fault - by convention ONLY intersegment
- > >procedure calls - had to use a calling sequence which was KNOWN to be
- > >restartable on a vanilla 68000. Demand paging of data references WAS NOT
- > >supported (ie, would result in a bus error trap to the application). All
- > >this, and a full multitasking OS and GUI on a 5 MHz 68000 in 1 Megabyte!
-
- > Of course, there were UNIX workstations from Apollo that also
- > supported demand paging on a vanilla 68000.
-
- Not "a" vanilla 68000, but as you say below, two vanilla 68000's.
- The company I was working for at the time the 68000 came out was producing
- microprocessor Unix systems; that's why we were so interested in whether
- the 68000 was capable of demand paging. (We weren't in the business
- of putting two CPUs in one box though :-).
-
- > I believe Apollo
- > addressed the problem by using 2 68000's. The second one was only
- > used to load the faulting page into memory and then the other
- > processor could continue. I think the main processor was simply put
- > into a wait state until the page was loaded. Thus no faults were
- > incurred on the main processor.
- >
- > I don't know if HP or Sun used 68000's in their first workstations. I
- > would guess not, since I think they both started with the 020.
-
- The 020 didn't come out until 1985 I believe. Surely there were Sun
- workstations produced before then? I would guess they started with the
- 68010, which was capable of virtual memory.
-
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