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- From: ochealth@unixg.ubc.ca (ochealth)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48
- Subject: Re: Taking exams?
- Date: 23 Jan 1993 21:39:58 GMT
- Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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- In article <hdev.727811494@dutiag> hdev@dutiag.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:
- :kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:
- :
- :>In article <hdev.727700672@dutiai> hdev@dutiai.tudelft.nl (Hans de Vreught) writes:
- :
- :>>The word of
- :>>one man against another doesn't work in court. Even worse, since you accuse
- :>>him of cheating, you'll have to supply the evidence. If not, well, how much
- :>>money can you get from a slander law suit?
- :
- :>Hmm. Perhaps the professor should say nothing, but be allowed to require
- :>the student to take another exam, covering the same material. This puts an
- :>undue hardship on the professor, but at least gets rid of the legal
- :>problems.
- :
- :Not over here. States laws prohibits universities to make even such a rule.
- :
- :>>[stuff about students in the Netherlands suing teachers]
- :
- :>Yikes. Some people take their civil liberties a little too seriously. Or
- :>perhaps some jurors have their heads screwed on backwards...
- :
- :Actually over here (and many other countries as well) we only have trial by
- :judge, not by jury. A jury is more likely to disbelieve the cheaters if they
- :say they didn't cheat regardless if they did or did not cheat. So the jury is
- :unlawfully biased against the cheaters. In a trial by judge the judge is
- :impartial (well in theory). He has no choice but to presume that the cheaters
- :are innocent (although he knows they are guilty as hell).
-
- Some research shows that jurors often don't pay much attention, (sleep, etc.)
- or determine guilt or innocence by personal theories, whether the lawyer is
- good looking etc. I've read some pretty frightening stuff about the juries
- occaisionally get to their verdicts. But still, in the common law tradition,
- you and your lawyer have some influence in the jury selection process,
- and in theory, you are supposed to be judged by your peers, not by an agent
- of the state (the judge). I suppose there is less threat today that the judge
- is just another tool of the state, compared to when our procedures were
- formed, hundreds of years ago.
- :--
- :Hans de Vreught | John von Neumann:
- :hdev@dutiba.twi.tudelft.nl | Young man, in mathematics
- :Delft University of Technology (TWI-ThI) | you don't understand things,
- :The Netherlands | you just get used to them.
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