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- From: kak@hico2.westmark.com (Kris A. Kugel)
- Subject: Re: Any graphics or better wp's for 7300?
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- Organization: High Country Software
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- Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1993 02:04:40 GMT
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- Chris Lewis (clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca) wrote:
- : In article <1993Jan16.021127.14456@d-and-d.com> dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols) writes:
- : >In article <1993Jan15.131743.954@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> rlsx@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (russell.l.stauffer) writes:
- : >>I want to be able to make up some "fliers" and posters at home on a Unixpc.
- : >>What, if anything, is out there that would enable me to do this ?? I'd
- : >>like a "graphical" word processor, similar to FrameMaker, etc. to the point
- : >>that I can "draw" something with the mouse & stick it on a page with text
- : >>on it. Or, even a better word processor than "stock" that would allow me
- : >>to make up a page with different text sizes (fonts, too?) on it (I suppose
- : >>I could try "troff" if it's there...). Any suggestions?
-
- : I don't think troff is very suitable for this. You can do newsletters
- : okay, but fliers and posters need more graphics power.
-
- : > Troff is not there, only nroff. However, you can use groff (Gnu's
- : >implementation of troff, with pic (for line drawings from text commands). I
- : >think that there are binaries of this out there,
-
- : The only one that I am aware of is Picasso, an unadvertised package contained
- : in one of the AT&T DWB 2.x releases for 3b2 series machines. With that you
- : could do full blown mouse point/click/stretch etc. and generate pic.
- : Only if you had a blit or 5620 as a display - this ain't X windows stuff.... : Nor does it seem to be available anymore, or on other platforms.
- : I've heard rumors of something for DWB 3.x, but AT&T decided to not do
- : DWB 3.x for 3b1s (even after we pretty-pleased a lot).
- : --
- : Chris Lewis; clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Phone: Canada 613 832-0541
- : Psroff 3.0 info: psroff-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
- : Ferret list: ferret-request@ferret.ocunix.on.ca
-
- Ignoring for the moment that I don't think troff/nroff is
- really the way to go for the case you describe,
- (I've just put together a org chart using pic,
- and it ain't all that much fun. You CAN do it.)
- I'll describe what I've done.
-
- Now, in the same document, I've got a diagram I drew with cdraw
- and then converted into pic. I got the tool cdraw2fig from
- an archive, and the program fig2dev from and archive, and
- produced the diagram thusly (from my Makefile)
-
- .cd.fig:
- cdraw2fig $< > $@
- .fig.pic:
- fig2dev -Lpic $< > $@
-
- Well, actually, it's not as easy as that yet. I had to track
- down a generated broken "fig" construct, the generation is not
- quite clean. And in reality, I think cdraw, while better than
- nothing, really could use some improvements.
- (creating subassemblies, for one).
- Pic has some really nasty long-term problems, one of which is
- you really can't make a generalize picture, because the fonts
- don't scale. Probably the long-term solution is to generate
- postscript from pic rather than troff constructs in a groff/gs-type
- system, and so take advantage of scalable fonts.
-
- Y'know, I'm TIRED of trying to manually drag my UNIX into the 90's.
- I LIKE troff; if AT&T had spent 1/8 the effort the DOS WP people did,
- and made it available, we'd have a pleasant, decent text processing system.
- Instead, GNU'll have to create a decent gnuware version that we can
- modify ourselves just so we can play catchup with idiotic DOS boxes....
-
-
- (can you tell I've spent all week
- trying to create a document with diagrams?
- I now know how to plot with grap, gnuplot,
- and ghostscript remotely via uux)
-
- Kris A. Kugel 908-842-2707
- hico2!kak kak@hico2.westmark.com
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