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- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Insults NECESSARY to insure well-defined questions
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.151804.607@doc.bmd.trw.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 15:18:04 MST
- Lines: 233
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- I'm sorry. I just HAD to reply. This is TOO funny. If you are looking for
- technical content, hit "skip" now.
-
-
- Carl accuses me of,
- >intellectual dishonesty.
-
- I guess Carl is an expert at that also.
-
- Carl says,
- >Your self-serving lies are in indication that you're
- >too incompetent to engage even in legitimate rhetoric.
-
- Why is that? Because I can actually communicate without resorting to
- insults or name-calling? Or because we are ALL incompetent compared to
- one as great as you?
-
- >a shit-for-brains jackass like you
- >it's simple incompetence.
- >how incredibly stupid
-
- Carl gets right into the insults and name-calling.
-
- >people are actually starting
- >to ask well-defined questions? Nah, that couldn't be it. Your ideology *MUST*
- >be correct, despite all evidence to the contrary, right jackass?
- ^
- (Carls favorite for this post)
-
- Your evidence must be *selective* evidence. And that's intellectual dishonesty.
- (attr.Carl)
-
- Of course, if you are right, then people *MUST* be asking well-defined
- questions because, YOU HAVE INSULTED THEM INTO IT. Right! LIES! That's all
- my post was full of, nothing but LIES!
-
- >that would require that you
- >actually *KNOW* something about VMS, now wouldn't it?
-
- no. We all know, only YOU *KNOW* something about VMS.
-
- Isn't this fun?
-
- >Too bad, jackass.
-
- More evidence Carl.
-
- >dismissed you as yet another crank.
-
- I'm sure you would know about cranks.
-
- Carl lists three good reasons HE should be moderator of this newsgroup,
-
- >Well, shit-for-brains, 1 out of 3 amn't bad.
- ^
- (ok, he likes this one too)
-
- > 1) Who should post? I can't recall that ever having been brought up
-
- I thought you had that limited down to only English-speaking-intellectuals,
- who can post so much of the question that they already know the answer.
-
- later, Carl says,
- >Someone who's unwilling to even read the on-line help shouldn't
- >be posting. If he can't use the on-line help, he's unlikely to be able to
- >understand any answers he might be given in the group.
-
- I count 1 out of 3. And I didn't even have to reference previous posts'.
-
- > 2) What they should post? Well, if it's got to do with VAXen or VMS,
- > it's acceptable;
- further,
- >This group's supposed to be
- >about VAXen and VMS. It's supposed to be a forum in which questions are
- >answered. To give one bad example, "Here are my sysgen parameters" is not an
- >answerable question.
-
- That's at least 2 out of 3. And in my book that's a majority. Not bad for a
- pucky-for-a-thinker.
-
- > 3) HOW they should post, well, there you've got me. I would require
- > that when someone post, he actually ask a well-specified question.
- > Of course, you don't think that's reasonable. It'd probably
- > exclude you from the group.
-
- I'm sure you would like to exclude all of those like me from the group. Too
- bad. I count 3 out of 3. Bingo. But you probably need more evidence, than just
- your own words.
-
-
- >Gee. Now I'm a terrorist.
-
- If the shoe fits...
-
- I said,
- >>NO ONE should have to be subjected to the
- >>insults, name-calling, sexist, bigoted, filthy language provided by the
- >>ALL-KNOWING-ONES.
-
- and Carl said,
- >Yes, shit-for-brains. We're all supposed to be nice even to incompetent
- ^^^^^
- (for the evidence-seeing-impaired, this is an example of name-calling,
- see above)
-
- >poseurs. You belong in talk.religion.newage.bliss.ninnys.
-
- This must be a new group Carl has been active in.
-
- I said,
- >>They are an embarassment to the profession.
-
- >Someone using language you don't like
- >is an embarassment to the profession.
-
- yes. Someone using language like you. Remember, it's not what you say,
- it's how you say it.
-
- >Someone who doesn't know jack shit about
- ^ ^
- ( Same two words, only used in recursive fashion, tricky, Carl)
-
- >computers, but who still takes money for managing same is a credit to the
- >profession. How do you justify that position?
-
- How do you know how much ____ ____ I know about computers? This must be why
- you are one of the GREAT ONES. You are telepathic. Sorry, I didn't realize...
-
- I said,
- >>I am
- >>embarassed for the Gentlemen and Ladies reading the articles on this newsgroup,
- >>who have to continually endure the strings of filth. All in the name of
- >>Technical Genius. right!
-
- >You're a jackass. How about you try contributing something technical to the
- ^
- (see above reference to name-calling, the last resort of argument)
-
- >group? You can't? You're taking your employer's money under false pretenses?
-
- This you also know, Carl. You are so wise, so all-knowing, so pathetic.
-
-
- Carl, continues to clarify to us all, the conditions on which he bases his
- justification for outrageous behaviour.
-
- >HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, SHIT-FOR-BRAINS. I've seldom flamed anybody for asking
- ^
- (see above on name-calling, used this slang pronoun before)
- (first time in caps. I think he means REALLY!)
-
- >simple questions. For asking questions that could be answered by using the
- >on-line HELP facility, yes. For asking non-questions that demonstrate a
- ^ ^ (interesting twist of logic)
- | (would that be asking a statement?)
- (this don't EVER do, or else Carl will come-a-calling)
-
- >complete ignorance of what a computer is, yes. For asking questions that
- ^
- (don't do this either, or else)
-
- >they've just had answered for them, most definitely. For asking simple
- ^
- (if you didn't understand Carl's clear-text answer, you are incompetent.)
- (don't EVER ask for clarification)
-
- >questions, no.
-
- Oh.
- Thanks for clearing that up for us, Carl.
-
- I said,
- >>why can't these people simply hit SKIP
- >>and go on to the more difficult things they know so much about? Don't answer.
-
- Carls says,
- >Nice try. Ask a rhetorical question impugning the motives of your adversary,
- >then try to squelch a response. Are you sure you're not a lawyer?
-
- Thanks. Nice try. I know you didn't mean it as a compliment. But YOU are the
- tricky one, by missing the point of the sentence and arguing semantics.
-
-
- But wait! Maybe Carl DID understand the sentence.
- >If we just hit "SKIP," then the moron who asked a non-question is simply going
- ^
- (I would hate to ask for further clarification on this)
- (although "moron" is a new one to this post, he is using
- it in general terms as upposed to specific)
-
- >to conclude that his post never made it to the group (never mind the fact that
- ^
- (interesting rationalization)
-
- >he saw it on his own news server [which is somewhat excusable, since default
- >distribution settings could have restricted his post to his own organization]
- >or in his mail, after he'd mailed to INFO-VAX@SRI.COM [which is inexcusable,
- >since his receiving his own message confirms that it was sent to the whole
- >group]), and repost.
-
- So I guess what Carl is trying to say, is that, if HE doesn't answer, then we
- all might think our question never made out to the world. hmmm. Maybe we are
- getting somewhere here?
-
- >As the jackass to whom I'm responding goes on for another 150 lines or so of
- ^
- (see above reference AGAIN... cute, Carl. )
-
- >the same bullshit, I'll end here.
-
- No, Carl. If you had included the next lines, they weren't mine. They were
- the evidence you so willingly chose to ignore. But then those testiments
- were just bullshit to you. We get the picture. We're all jackasses with
- nothing but bullshit to say. At least now we all know where you're coming
- from. And those testiments you so skillfully deleted tell me I am not alone
- in where I am coming from.
-
-
-
-
-
- Well, this HAS been fun, but I really don't have much time for fun. I have
- an REAL job. I'm afraid this really must be my last word. CarryOn!
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