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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: Re: Moderated List????
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 23:12:45 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- In article <2202@bdrc.bdrc.bd.com>, woody@bdrc.bd.com (Woody Muller) writes:
- >Carl Lydick writes:
- >>That's where you and I differ. I think someone too bloody stupid to realize
- >>that if he wants help, he needs to tell us EXACTLY what he did and EXACTLY what
- >>happened, deserves to be flamed. [Carl Lydick]
- >
- >There's more to a user group like this than the black-white EXACTNESS
- >which exists in your monocular world.
-
- Sorry, jackass, but computers DO work EXACTLY (unless, of course there's a
- hardware failure). If, for a given version of the software, in a given
- environment, you issue a particular command and get a particular response,
- then, you'll always get that same response when you issue that command in that
- environment.
-
- >It's a very sad commentary on your
- >lack of breadth of experience that you've never met, say, an expert
- >molecular chemist who had no love for her machine but just wanted it
- >to work. She might specify a question incompletely, but that doesn't
- >mean she's stupid. Just in need of some enlightenment.
-
- If she thinks that she can get a useful answer to a questiuon of the form:
- My program doesn't work. Why?
- Without her providing any additional information, then she ought to be in
- parapsychology, not molecular biology. If she's incapable of realizing that
- the input to the computer and the output might somehow be correlated, then
- she's probably incompetent as a scientist as well.
-
- >I've seen a number of hotheads like you over the years, though rarely in
- >the professional newsgroups (comp, sci, etc). Apparently having nothing
- >better to do with your day, you hover over the group with a mallet,
- >playing whack-a-mole like at the arcade.
-
- No, shit-for-brains. I try to answer the questions posted to the group.
- When some jerk-off like yourself tries to encourage people to treat computers
- as if they work by magic, I get somewhat annoyed.
-
- >We can already tell who the less-informed contributors are, Carl. We also
- >recognize the psychotic ones. You're searching so hard for the stupidity
- >you crave to find,
-
- With you "contributing" to the list, the search is not at all difficult.
-
- >>I see. You're yet another of the PC pop-psych folks who believes that someone
- >>using a computer shouldn't be forced to have even the vaguest idea of how the
- >>computer works; [...] [Carl]
- >
- >I see the computer as a tool for the use of scientists and engineers,
- >and not always as an end in itself. As such, its best use is
- >often by specialists who have their minds on other things like astronomy,
- >chemistry, or engineering.
-
- True. The computer is a tool. Why the hell are you advocating that people use
- a tool with absolutely *NO* comprehension of how it works? For that *IS* what
- you're advocating when you deny that any competent person should have the
- brains, when presenting a problem, to:
- 1) Present the commands/code that led to the problem;
- 2) Present the error messages and any other results of executing the
- commands/code.
-
- >These people are called applications users.
- >Sometimes they are called upon to do something a little outside their
- >field of expertise. Do *you* ever do anything outside *your* field
- >of expertise, Carl?
-
- Yes, I do. When I do so, I make an attempt to learn something about what I'm
- doing before actually doing it.
-
- >>My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).
- >
- >Try reading a few books on the subject, or chat up an astronomer.
-
- And that's going to get my understanding of astronomy above the amateur level?
- I don't think so, turkey.
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- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL
-
- Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
- understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
- unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
- organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
- hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
-