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- From: RING@JUNCOL.JUNIATA.EDU (John Charles Ring)
- Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
- Subject: RE: Moderated List???
- Message-ID: <930121232028.14a4@JUNCOL.JUNIATA.EDU>
- Date: 22 Jan 93 04:20:28 GMT
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- Stated by: woody@bdrc.bd.com
- >>For what it's worth:
- >> Ehud has left the newsgroup.
- >
- >How sad. But what about all the people *you've* chased away from this
- >forum, Carl? There are lots of folks on Usenet with varied interests
- >and environments, people who have no desire to have your kind of mile-
- >deep and yard-wide knowledge. These people have questions, and they
- >also have answers to questions in other subjects.
-
- Too bad -- Ehud's flames at least brought a chuckle, I've even saved a few!
- Of course, he's not the only knowledgable person on here, but nevertheless,
- it's not good that he left.
-
- True, the Usenet has various interests, and it's difficult to expect people
- always ask appropriate questions. However, there is a limit to patience, of
- which some have more than others, of course.
-
- >You have fostered an environment of confrontation and abuse, Carl, and
- >a lot of knowledgeable people who dislike confrontation and abuse
- >stay quiet. The "newbies" you are so fond of bullying are a
- >completely new crop of news browsers from the "newbies" you bullied
- >away from the group a few months ago -- and there will be more next
- >month. That's the way of the net.browsers -- remember, this newsgroup
- >goes beyond the INFO-VAX mailing list. Live with it.
-
- As Carl has pointed out in a previous post, it's only recently that he's
- been flameing posters. Thinking about it, seems to me that the reason for the
- FLAME HEAP that we've been buried in recently goes along this following lines:
-
- 1) A poster doesn't know enough, or think enough, to include a decent
- description of the problem or any relevent information about it.
-
- 2) Some person requests more information, and gives an idea of what to include.
- I.E. The log file, and/or the DCL error messages. True, the request may be
- imbedded in a flame, but its -still- a request!
-
- 3) Original poster flames back, but STILL does not provide the requested
- information!
-
- 4) FLAME WAR HELL promptly invades our mailers and newsreaders.
-
- So, live with it? I have little problem with that, except, should it not be
- equally applied to the "newbies?" If you're not familiar with the 'way things
- work' about a familiar thing, maybe those people on your back are right, and
- you should attempt to learn. True, -maybe- they should have been a bit more
- patient, but everyone has a short fuse now & then!
-
- So, could we *please* stop SCREAMING at each other back & forth, and try to
- --listen-- just a little closer to what others are saying?
-
- Sorry for the long post/rhetoric, maybe my fuse is short tonight!
-
- John Ring -- Ring@Juncol.Juniata.Edu
- "And the blind shall lead the sighted -- Triumph"
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