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- From: alistair@microsoft.com (Alistair Banks)
- Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.nt - Microsoft Position
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.092047.17831@microsoft.com>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 09:20:47 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <1jvvqbINNeqn@rodan.UU.NET>
- Keywords: Microsoft Windows NT Win32
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- Microsoft today has a real-mode operating system, a 286 protect-mode and
- a 386 protect-mode operating system packaged as one product, and is soon
- to release a 32-bit secure pre-emptive multi-processor portable operating
- system
-
- The distinguishing features of these OSes relate to programming interfaces and
- the applications written to them, and to issues surrounding hardware and
- driver support.
-
- We've also shipped with the Win32 SDK for Windows NT "Win32s" a sub-set
- implementation of the Win32 API for Windows 3.1. We've also shipped a version
- of Windows 3.1 with workgroup extensions, and announced that those extensions
- will be in Windows NT 3.1. We've shown "Modular Windows", a scaled-down
- version of Windows for consumer markets, and we've explained how OBject Linking
- and Embedding Version 2.0 grows to become a completed distributed system in
- future releases of Windows.
-
- The point I'm trying to make is that an operating system division between
- Windows 3.1 and Windows NT 3.1 is not the right split for newsgroups which
- more usefully should be split according to the issues they are likely to
- discuss and the audiences participating.
-
- I would suggest that programmers discuss programming interfaces, those
- being Win16 & Win32, with both of those being supported in Windows 3.1
- and Windows NT 3.1. I would suggest that users often worry about setup
- issues, particularly hardware configuration and driver support.
-
- I would suggest that some applications, and some programming tools have
- such a following as to deserve to be broken into their own group, but
- I would strongly recommend that all the above pertain to one scaleable
- operating system family called Windows ("NT" is a trademark of Northen Telecom
- and our operating system is always called Windows NT, and on Compuserve
- WinNT is used for its short forum name)
-
- comp.os.ms-windows.win32 is already set up as _the_ place for Win32-related
- programming issues. This would be improved by the removal of setup and
- driver-related questions to a new group comp.os.ms-windows.setup.winnt. If
- specific platforms such as dec alpha, mips, or intergraph clipper have their
- own issues, these could be further split out later. If Symetric MP machines
- have their own setup issues, these could be further split out.
-
- Programming for the Win16 API is consistant whether you're on Windows 3.1
- or running the same app on Windows NT 3.1.
-
- Programming to the Win32 API has 2 scaleable uni-processor x86 variants
- today, with 3 announced RISC platforms, and Symetric MP demoed up to 16
- processors. I think it would serve programmers better to group these
- discussion together, since they have a great deal in common, and with better
- support of the Win32 API destined for Windows on MS-Dos, they will only have
- more in common as time goes by.
-
- So I'm making a plea not to break Windows-related discussions into
- unrelated groups based upon current product packaging, but
- rather into audience-related groups, and to recognise Windows is a
- scaleable family of implementations of the same API and same user
- Interface with the same applications running on each.
-
- So I'd suggest the creation of comp.os.ms-windows.setup.winnt today,
- and perhaps comp.os.ms-windows.winnt for topics like "has app A
- by vendor B been tested on Windows NT 3.1?" - "what POSIX apps have been
- ported to Windows NT?" - "Dos this ms-dos application violate
- Windows NT's security mechanisms?" Perhaps also comp.os.ms-windows.workgroup
- and comp.os.ms-windows.modular, comp.os.ms-windows.pen for product
- related miscalaneous questions - Perhaps each of these should be nodes off
- the comp.os.ms-windows.misc tree? Perhaps the .misc tree doesnt need
- to have a seperate winnt section if programmers and setup issues are
- handled elsewhere, and religious discussion is kept to the .advocacy
- group?
-
- When we provide support, we find it much the most efficient to divide
- our groups into user-related and programmer-related groups, and then
- into product related issues within user-related, like setup & device
- support, and into api-related groups within the programming groups,
- with divisions for DDK-related programming and some specific APIs
- like ODBC, MAPI, OLE, Pen, etc
-
- -- Alistair Banks, Microsoft Systems Division
-