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- From: herschel@cme.nist.gov (Gus Herschel)
- Newsgroups: comp.org.usenix
- Subject: Re: System Administration, Networking, and Security (SANS II)
- Keywords: USENIX Association, SAGE
- Message-ID: <20749@durer.cme.nist.gov>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 04:19:34 GMT
- References: <1292@usenix.ORG> <1jn79pINN4uh@network.ucsd.edu> <1993Jan25.171350.21094@erg.sri.com>
- Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology, Gaithersburg, MD
- Lines: 75
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- In article <1993Jan25.171350.21094@erg.sri.com> bigmac@erg.sri.com (Bryan McDonald) writes:
- >In article <1jn79pINN4uh@network.ucsd.edu> middleto@poincare.ucsd.edu (Tom Middleton ; System Manager) writes:
- >>1) What is the relationship between SANS, SAGE and LISA?
-
- >LISA is the System Administration conference for USENIX. SAGE is the
- >System Adminstrators' Guild, a STG (Special Technical Group) of USENIX.
- >SAGE's mission is to advance/promote the profession of systems' adminstration,
- >looking at and beyond the scope of a technical conference like LISA to
- >issues like careers, management, education, certification, ethics, etc.
- >SAGE will probably be very involved in attempting to maintain the high
- >quality of the LISA conferences and any other efforts of a similar nature.
- >
- >SANS (System Adminstration, Networking, and Security) is the renamed
- >World Conference on System Administration and Security
- >from last July. It is principly sponsored by FedUNIX, a Washington, D.C.,
- >based group.
- >
- >SAGE is also co-sponsoring SANS this year, working with the World Conference
- >group to promote cooperation and interchange between their group and USENIX,
- >and to bring together two groups aiming at different segments of the
- >system adminstration profession.
- >
- >I went to both conferences last year, and was a member of the interim board
- >of SAGE. Each has its benefits.
- >SANS and LISA are differnet on focus and other mundane things, like time
- >and location, and which one you attend, if you can only attend one, depends
- >a lot on what you want out of the conference.
-
- Despite the length of your answer, it didn't answer the question:
- "What is the difference between LISA and SANS?"
-
- You say "different in focus" but how? Can't you be even a teeny bit
- more specific? Frankly, they sound the same to me. The tutorials
- were almost identical, and the program committees looked pretty
- similar too.
-
- Of course, the technical papers were different, but then they're
- different from one LISA to the next LISA anyway.
-
- I suspect the real reason for these conferences is that they are
- lucrative to the people who run them; this includes the people who
- give the tutorials. Oh, sure, the people who attend the tutorials
- become educated, but how about the technical papers? Are the people
- who submit to SANS those that were rejected from LISA (or vice versa)?
-
- If there were really so many good papers, then they should've been
- accepted (by whomever) in the first place. I'd rather go to a
- multi-track conference than two single track conferences each year.
- Frankly, I can't afford the time or money to go to two conferences.
-
- Is the result two lower (or at least one lower) quality conferences
- instead of one high quality conference? Heck, I don't want to go to
- the inferior conference. Which is the better of the two?
-
- It would be interesting if someone on the program committee from one
- of these conferences could look at the paper titles that were
- rejected and compare these to the subsequent conference.
-
- I'm surprised the original poster didn't also ask about USENIX's
- Security symposium. This also has a significant overlap with LISA and
- SANS. Just look at the paper titles. Almost all of them are directly
- relevant to system administration. All the tutorials appear to be
- geared to the system administrator.
-
- Can we be honest? If there's no difference but for geography, let's
- say so. All these different names for conferences seem like a ruse.
- ("yeah, that SA+Networking conference is entirely different than this
- SA+Security conference!") Oh, and I love these names: "World
- Conference?" "SysAdmin+NW+Security?" Sheesh, who thinks of these things?
-
- And what did we ever decide about USENIX? Does the USENIX conference
- suck off the very best of the SA/security/networking papers or not?
- What's this year's theory?
-
- -Gus Herschel
-