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- From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes)
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- Subject: MIT and Palladium (was Re: IMPORTANT: POSIX threatens ...)
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 18:38:38 GMT
- Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz
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- In article <C1FusF.AyE@ra.nrl.navy.mil> atkinson@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Randall Atkinson) writes:
- >unhappy about the draft ignoring both the existing practice of lp/lpr
- >-- recall that MIT _removed_ Palladium from most of its systems
- >because MIT felt it was less useful than just using existing practice
- >such as lp/lpr and friends -- and the POSIX.2 precedent of
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- I don't claim to speak for MIT, or even to have a very good knowledge of
- what's going on there, but here's what I sorta remember about the history
- of Palladium.
-
- MIT Project Athena started out with 4.3BSD, including lpr and friends.
- They made some changes to the lpr suite, such as using Hesiod for the
- printcap information and having workstations spool directly to the
- print server rather than spooling locally and again on the print
- server. This became the production print system for Athena, which is
- the production academic computing environment at MIT.
-
- Seeing the need for a better print system they wrote the spec for
- Palladium. Then they implemented it. This first implementation,
- like anything new, had lots of bugs. At the point where they had planned
- to install it as the production system it wasn't considered stable
- enough for that purpose. So they continued with lpr.
-
- Meanwhile Project Athena was ending, meaning a considerable reduction
- in dollars for development. The money and enthusiasm were just not there
- to continue Palladium development. The Athena system continues as
- the production computing facility, paid for out of MITs own budget.
- They get by with a few more hacks to lpr. What was done on Palladium
- is out there; and anybody who wants to continue working on it may do so.
-
- So I would argue that "less useful than just using existing..." doesn't
- mean lpr is better than Palladium would have been; but rather than
- Palladium at one point in time needed more work than MIT was willing or
- able to put into it.
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