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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 12:31:01 -0800
- From: udi@cs.washington.edu (Udi Manber)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: University Telephone System (and Integretel in General)
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- X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 48, Message 9 of 13
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- > [Moderator's Note: You say 'the main purpose of such schemes is to
- > defraud someone ...' Who, may I ask, is attempting to defraud whom?
-
- Students trying to defraud their universities by calling from the dorm
- or from any other public phones that are not fully blocked, sleaze
- operators convincing children to call back or accept calls, 800
- numbers that are supposed to warn you about the charges but never do,
- the list goes on and on. (These are just examples told to me by the
- utility commission.) I am sure you know more about that than I do.
- Are you trying to say that there is no phone fraud?
-
- > But if you choose to deal with their clients then you should plan
- > on paying their clients.
-
- And what if, like me, you never chose to deal with any of them (or
- even knew they existed), but can't get them off your back?
-
- > Everyone uses something to circumvent the blocking of something else
- > when it suits their requirements. Why should sex-by-phone providers be
- > any different?
-
- "Everyone cheats, steals, and beats their kids, so why do you blame
- me?" is not a great argument.
-
- You missed my point. These schemes, especially the 800-number scheme
- which I was hit with, pose an unacceptable risk to many unsuspecting
- victims, and allow easy fraud. You think that when you block your
- phone you're protected, but you're not. You need to be an expert to
- be really protected. It could very well be that fraud is not wide
- spread -- yet. Maybe (probably) most of the complaints against
- Integretel are from people trying to weasel out of calls they made.
- Maybe Integretel knows how to cover their behind (I am sure they do),
- and maybe I am paranoid, but IMHO we should *minimize* fraud
- opportunities as much as we can, rather than turn a blind eye to them
- until they hit us personally.
-
- In any case, I spent too much time on that. It's time to move on.
-
-
- Udi Manber
-
-