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- From: pw@Panix.Com (Paul Wallich)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom
- Subject: Re: Good Opportunity For Fraud
- Message-ID: <telecom13.37.12@eecs.nwu.edu>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 20:08:37 GMT
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- X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 13, Issue 37, Message 12 of 15
-
- In <telecom13.33.12@eecs.nwu.edu> patlee@Panix.Com (Patrick Lee)
- writes:
-
- > eo@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Ed Oliveri) wrote:
-
- >> Are you sure this was Citibank? Every Citibank ATM I've seen
- >> CANNOT eat a card since the card is dipped into the card
- >> reader, never leaving the user's fingers.
-
- > Our Moderator Noted:
-
- >> The Citibank ATM's in Chicago eat the card for a minute and
- >> spit it out when finished with it.
-
- > I guess Chicago's Citibank has older ATM machines than we have here in
- > New York City. I haven't seen any Citibank ATM machine which eats the
- > card for the past few years. Just dip the card in and take it out and
- > proceed with answering which of the five languages to use.
-
- Actually it's the other way around. NYC Citibank ATM's are older than
- ATM's anywhere else becaue citi (whatever else their many myriad
- faults) had (one of) the first atm network(s). Back in the dim times,
- some marketing schlub discovered that people were afraid to hand their
- life savings (or card representing same) to a machine that would
- probably eat it. Citi harped on the safety of their system even though
- it required developing card-reader technology that wouldn't work with
- anybody else's cards.
-
- The amusing thing is that (at least up through a couple years ago)
- Citibank in NYC and Citibank in the rest of the country were two
- different entities, so that a card that worked at one place wouldn't
- work in the other, e.g. my NYC card wouldn't work in Berkeley. Even
- more fun, when the various cash-card networks got going (CIRRUS, NYCE
- &c), a situation developed where an out-of-state Citicard would work
- anywhere in New York _except_ at Citibank itself. Let's hear it for
- good network design.
-
-
- paul
-
-
- [Moderator's Note: Speaking of good opportunities for fraud, on my way
- home tonight, I passed a sidewalk ATM downtown which was beeping as I
- went past. I went to look at it, and the message on the screen said
- 'Do you need more time? yes ---->
- no ---->
-
- Mercy me, I said to myself, what have we here? A receipt sticking out
- of the little slot said *someone* had taken $50 and still had a
- balance of $32,000 in their account ... simple-minded fool that I am,
- I pressed the 'no' (I do not need more time) button, and of course a
- First National Banking Card (combination ATM and debit card here)
- popped out of the slot ... ooops! Mercy me, I said to myself, what did
- I do that for! :) Once the card had ejected, it was pointless to stand
- there putting it back in and trying to hack a passcode, particularly
- with that camera staring out at me snapping my picture. I took the
- card to the bank across the street, put it in a night deposit envelope
- with a note saying 'found loose by ATM, please return to owner' and
- dropped it in the slot. Riding home on the subway, I was able to feel
- morally superior and Socially Responsible about the whole incident
- which was a better way to feel than feeling like a stupid klutz. :) PAT]
-