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- From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
- Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.033825.18379@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <1993Jan24.024230.5977@sophia.smith.edu> <C1F6vp.LpI@umassd.edu>
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:38:25 GMT
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- In article <C1F6vp.LpI@umassd.edu> pmsc13sg@UMASSD.EDU writes:
- >In article <1993Jan24.024230.5977@sophia.smith.edu>, orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
- >>Searle says that "it seems to me a well-attested empirical fact
- >>that dogs are conscious." [The Rediscovery of the Mind, p.74.]
- >>I haven't read much about animal consciousness, and I would
- >>be interested to hear the opinions of various philosophers on
- >>the topic. Is it as uncontroversial as Searle implies?
- >
- >SG Moderns, following Descartes' primacy of consciousness, confuse
- >consciuousness w/self-conscioiusness. Conciousness is the widest fact here.
- >There are many states of consciousness: sensation, perception, reason,
- >emotion, imagination, etc, etc. Self-consciousness may be
- >perceptual or rational. Only humans have self-consciousness. Brute animal
- >behavior can be completely explained by perception. See Objectivism.
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- Trying to pass this distinction off as an invention of objectivism is like
- trying to credit the Nazis with the invention of architecture. The distinction
- between consciousness and self-consciouness has been around since long before
- Ayn Rand. See philosophy.
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- Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
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