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- From: ledwards@leland.Stanford.EDU (Laurence James Edwards)
- Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.015655.1747@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 01:56:55 GMT
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- In article <dpn2.232.727891709@po.CWRU.Edu>, dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:
- |> In article <1993Jan24.024230.5977@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
- |> >Searle says that "it seems to me a well-attested empirical fact
- |> >that dogs are conscious." [The Rediscovery of the Mind, p.74.]
- |> >I haven't read much about animal consciousness, and I would
- |> >be interested to hear the opinions of various philosophers on
- |> >the topic. Is it as uncontroversial as Searle implies?
- |>
- |> I very much doubt it. My freshman philosophy teacher maintained that humans
- |> are the only self-aware creatures on the planet, and that we perceive
- |> conciousness in animals because we tend to judge all things by ourselves.
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- I believe that chimps have been found to be self-aware in some sense. If I
- remember correctly, the way this was tested was to put a spot of paint on a
- chimps face and let him look at a mirror and see how frequently he touched that
- part of his face. The control was to put the same spot on the chimp and not
- give him a mirror. The theory being that if the chimp touches the spot more
- frequently with the mirror present than without then he must recognize himself
- in the mirror and therefore must have a concept of self ... I believe the same
- test has been done with babies (human) too, and that until a certain age babies
- do not seem to be self-aware.
-
- |> Personally, I considered this to be utter nonsense. Personally, I feel that
- |> the argument that my cat is concious is as sound as the argument that my
- |> roommate is concious. (Actually, he isn't right now. He's sleeping. :-)
-
- Larry Edwards
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