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- From: christo@psych.toronto.edu (Christopher Green)
- Subject: Re: Searle on animal consciousness
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.004754.10876@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <1993Jan24.024230.5977@sophia.smith.edu> <dpn2.232.727891709@po.CWRU.Edu>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 00:47:54 GMT
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- In article <dpn2.232.727891709@po.CWRU.Edu> dpn2@po.CWRU.Edu (Damien P. Neil) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan24.024230.5977@sophia.smith.edu> orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke) writes:
- >>Searle says that "it seems to me a well-attested empirical fact
- >>that dogs are conscious." [The Rediscovery of the Mind, p.74.]
- >>I haven't read much about animal consciousness, and I would
- >>be interested to hear the opinions of various philosophers on
- >>the topic. Is it as uncontroversial as Searle implies?
- >
- >I very much doubt it. My freshman philosophy teacher maintained that humans
- >are the only self-aware creatures on the planet, and that we perceive
- >conciousness in animals because we tend to judge all things by ourselves.
- >
- You've made a standard confusion. Let's not get the whole discussion
- confused about it. Consciousness is not the same a self-consciousess
- (or "reflective consciousness"). Mammals are seemingly quite aware
- of their environments (see the "pain" posting of another poster).
- This makes them consciousness. Whether they are aware of themselves
- (as conscious agents, not just as other objects in the world) is
- a whole other question. The opinion of your "freshman philosophy teacher"
- does not count as an argument in any case. You also used the terms
- "perceive" and "judge" in vary imprecise ways.
-
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- Christopher D. Green christo@psych.toronto.edu
- Psychology Department cgreen@lake.scar.utoronto.ca
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