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- From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
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- Subject: Re: Colbys-Weizenbaum Weizenbaum Errors
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 22:05:56 GMT
- References: <1993Jan13.215919.23226@cs.ucla.edu>
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- In article <1993Jan13.215919.23226@cs.ucla.edu> colby@oahu.cs.ucla.edu (Kenneth Colby) writes:
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- > (2) Weizenbaum implies that Carl Rogers recommended that the
- > therapist "love" the patient so that the patient can learn to
- > "love" himself. I was a friend and colleague of Carl Rogers for
- > many years. I never heard him recommend "loving" the patient. His
- > recommended therapeutic attitude was one of "unconditional positive
- > regard". When you start talking "love", it is easy to slip into
- > sex and then you get cases like the Bean-Beaogg example at Harvard
- > in which the therapist had sexual relations with a medical-student
- > patient, rejected him and then he killed himself. Bean-Beaogg gave
- > up her license and settled a suit for one million dollars. Another
- > instance is the Masserman case in Chicago in which he put his
- > patients to sleep with amytal and then had intercourse with them.
- > (By the way, these not-uncommon (15%) sexual side-effects of
- > human therapists are happily absent in computer-mediated psychotherapy.)
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- > The psychotherapeutic relationship is not a love relationship - it is
- > an educational cognitive-work relationship designed to enhance
- > therapeutic learning by the patient or client. If Weizenbaum wants
- > to make it into a love relationship, he runs the risk of producing
- > horror situations such as those described above.
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- Ken, I don't think this is fair. As you know, love is a word that
- in English has different meanings. The kind of love Weizenbaum
- is talking about is more like "charity" of the Bible rather than
- "eros". When I tell my medical students they have to love their
- patients even if they are alcoholics, drug abusers, whatever, I
- am following what my mentor Lou Caplan taught me and they are
- not confused by this, as I was not when Lou taught it to me.
- "Unconditional positive regard" is really a pretty good synonym
- for this kind of love.
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