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- Subject: Re: NDP "communism?" (was Re: A vote for Reform...)
- Message-ID: <0BBuXB3w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca>
- From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 09:20:08 PST
- References: <1993Jan22.225220.2845@mdivax1.uucp>
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- Organization: Robert Smits
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- robinson@mdivax1.uucp (Jim Robinson) writes:
-
- > Kevin Kelly (kkelly@TC1.ccs.ryerson.ca) wrote:
- >
- > >The secret ballot on certification is a bit of red herring. If an individual
- > >does not wish to join a union or have one in the workplace they do not have
- > >to sign a card. Its as simple as that.
- >
- > If a person refuses to sign the card, she does so with the knowledge that
- > the union will know this. Now don't you think that person is going to
- > wonder just a bit if the union (or some members of it) is not going to hold
- > something of a grudge against non-supporters? I would.
- >
-
- Whether or not a vote is held, the union still has to sign up sufficient
- numbers of members before they can apply for certification. Thus, the
- union has always known who would or would not sign a union card. This
- hasn't changed under the new law at all.
-
- Additionally, if the % of signed up members is less than 55%, there WILL
- still have to be a vote.
-
- > The secret ballot totally eliminates the possibly of intimidation &
- > retribution. It thus allows the worker to vote entirely by conscience. How
- > this could not be considered a "good thing" is beyond me.
- >
- The problem isn't (and hasn't been) whether or not the workers should
- have a say. They can sign or not sign a union card, as they wish. And IF
- they do feel they have been coerced (which isn't likely, IMHO) they can
- revoke the card.
-
- The problem is, and always has been that the employer has always used the
- time period before a vote to campaign against the union, often illegally,
- often by intimidation or threat against the workers doing the organizing.
-
- > >And dont bother with responding with the "union intimidation" defense used
- > >by opponents of unions. Usually the intimidation comes from the company not
- > >the unions. I know I was there.
- >
- > Just because intimidation *may* come from the employer (and a secret ballot
- > does not make it any more likely) doesn't excuse making it easier for the
- > union to intimidate if it so desires. The two are related, but *separate*
- > issues.
- >
-
- It doesn't make it easier for the union to intimidate ANYONE. If someone
- feels they have been intimidated they can REVOKE their signature. Signing
- a union card, is, in effect, voting. Requiring a second vote merely gives
- the company more time (and ensures that they know about the union
- organizing campaign) to interfere with, harass, intimidate and threaten
- their employees.
-
- > By this logic it is not necessary to hold elections. We'll just let the
- > Tories get signatures of support until they reach the 50% mark. As well,
- > let's make sure the Tories have a record of each person who refused to
- > support them - I'm sure they wouldn't think of having Revenue Canada give
- > these people some extra scrutiny.
- > --
-
- If the Tories could actually demonstrate that 55% (as per the labour
- requirement) of the population were card carrying Tories, the result of
- any election would be a foregone conclusion. Fortunately, the Tories are
- extremely unlikely to ever attain this level of support.
-
- > Jim Robinson
- > robinson@mdd.comm.mot.com
- > {ubc-cs!van-bc,uunet}!mdivax1!robinson
- >
-
-
- emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits, Ladysmith B.C.)
-
- "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only
- the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not
- first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much
- the higher consideration." - Abraham Lincoln
-