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- From: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca (stephen cooper 9209 U)
- Subject: Re: INTolerance in Quebec (was Re: Political system 'axes')
- References: <C1DMEt.8Jq@mach1.wlu.ca> <1993Jan25.041258.18018@spxtech.qc.ca>
- Message-ID: <C1G0DH.6nu@mach1.wlu.ca>
- Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University
- Distribution: can
- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 03:58:28 GMT
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- >> You must be an immigrant then. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms states
- >> that parents who were educated in English in Canada have the right to send
- >> their children to English school. However, Americans and British immigrants
- >> moving to Quebec have to send their kids to school in French.
- >>
- >
- >Sigh!
- >
- >My wife and I are both Canadian citizens (since July 1984). We landed in
- >Quebec in September of 1980. We were both educated in English in England
- >and have (or had - my wife's parents died) English speaking parents. We
- >can NOT send our English speaking children to English school in Quebec!
-
- According to the Constitution, it doesn't matter what your citizenship
- status is, it's where you had your English primary education. You were not
- educated in Canada. You were educated in England. That is why you are
- discriminated against. Did you know that the Charter of Rights actually
- broadened access, not restricing it? Before the Charter in 1982, Bill 101
- of 1976 said that you had to have been educated in English *in Quebec*.
- This was the Quebec Clause. The current one in there is the Canada Clause.
- >
- >The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms paragraph 23(1)(b) (the educated
- >in minority language of the province part you are referring to) only applies
- >to Canadian citizens - that is correct. Paragraph 23(1)(a) provides for
- >citizens whose mother tongue is that of the minority language population
- >of the province in which they reside to be able to send their children to
- >schooling in that language. Paragraph 23(1)(a) is not applicable in Quebec
- >because Jean Chretien put paragraph 59 in the 1982 Constitution agreement.
-
- Jean Chretien put that in the agreement probably because Quebec would not
- have accepted it without it. But what am I talking about, Rene Levesque
- didn't even sign the Charter anyway.
-
- >Anyone who (even if they were educated in english, or whose mother tongue
- >is english) came to Quebec after Bill 101 became applicable on 26th august,
- >1977 (whether they are Canadian citizens or not) can not send their
- >children to English schools in Quebec. Their children are declared
- >"ineligible" for instruction in English!
-
- Nope, that should read "came to Canada", not just Quebec. If I have kids
- (not bloody likely), and I moved to Quebec, my children would have access to
- English school, because I had my primary education in English in Canada.
-
- >There are about 10,000 to 13,000 english speaking children thus affected in
- >Quebec.
-
- These are all children of recent immigrants then.
-
- I do not deny that you are being discriminated against, and I too fully
- support English education access to Quebec anglophones. I however also
- support francophone education where numbers warrant to francophones outside
- Quebec.
-
- >> One thing I want to know is, why did you move to Quebec? Was it for a job?
- >
- >Yes.
- >
- >CAE Electronics offered a decent relocation package and a decent salary at
- >the time.
- >
- >Quebec House in London said nothing of the racist policies of the Quebec
- >legislature during our 'interviews' before we came over here.
- >
- >
- >Bill 178 (the stupid signs law) was the trigger for me (and many others).
- >
- >Now I'm mad as hell and I'm doing my best to get this legislation fixed.
- >
- >There are ways to encourage the use of French in Quebec without denying
- >people basic human rights.
- >
- >There are immersion programs available in English schools here. Anyone
- >coming here who doesn't want his children to learn French (if they
- >intend to stay here) is nuts, IMHO.
- >
- >I have no problem with my children learning French. I think they have
- >a better opportunity to learn French here in Quebec than I did in
- >England years ago.
- >
- >That's not the issue.
- >
- >It is a question of being allowed to be a fully legitimate member of
- >whatever is left of the English community in which we have chosen to
- >live. That, naturally, includes the right to send our children to
- >publicly funded English schools here if we choose to do so.
-
- Well in my honest opinion, if anglophones had done this in the past and
- tried to speak French at all and didn't force most francophones to work
- completely in English up until the 1950's and 1960's, this whole mess
- wouldn't have happened. Let's face it, francophones were oppressed in their
- own province until about 1960. Now that they have political power, they are
- taking their revenge out on the anglophones. (I can forsee I'm going to get
- flamed! Better put on some flame resistant clothes).
- --
- Steve Cooper | Internet: scooper6@mach1.wlu.ca
- Waterloo, Ontario | If you actually think I speak for Wilfrid Laurier
- Canada!! | University, well... I don't even want to think about it.
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