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- From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)
- Subject: Re: Deficit, Deficit, who's got the Deficit? was: NDP "communism?"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.230237.5223@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>
- Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department
- References: <jstewart.727892428@cunews> <1993Jan24.170732.25135@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> <jstewart.727896363@cunews>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 23:02:37 GMT
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- In article <jstewart.727896363@cunews> jstewart@bertrand.carleton.ca (John Stewart) writes:
- >In <1993Jan24.170732.25135@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
- >
- >>Ontario is still a have-province compared to anyone else but Alberta
- >>and BC. From the onset of the Peterson-Rae coalition in the
- >>mid-eighties, spending in Ontario has been increasing at 10-15% per
- >>year, and really has not slowed...all the fat added in the good times
- >>just needs to be cut...Ontario is to blame for its own problem because
- >>it didn't restrain spending and taxation in the good times (the other
- >>half of the Keynesian cycle), so there was room for deficit spending
- >>and stimulus during the bad times.
- >
- >Ontario was certainly not the only province that accumulated a lot of
- >debt in the 80's. The NDP have made tough cuts to hospitals and
- >universities (which were already receiving the lowest funding per
- >student of any province). The deficit is not due to fat, but is mainly
- >caused by
-
- The payroll expenditure of the NDP government has gone up 20% in 2
- years.
-
- > 1) A shortfall on the revenue side (in spite of significant tax
- > increases) due to the recession.
-
- Of course there is going to be a "shortfall" on the revenue side
- when the provinces has come to rely on 10-15% increases in revenue
- during the boom years through record high taxation during the good
- times.
-
- > 2) A large increase in the bill for social services due to the
- > increase in the number of people on welfare (now over 1 million).
- > The Federal government has not done anything to help foot this bill
- > whereas in other provinces they will provide make work programs
- > to keep people eligible for UIC (saves the province money since
- > welfare is a provincial responsibility whereas UIC is paid for by
- > the Federal government)
- > or special assistance (eg. billions
- > of dollars for fisherman in Newfoundland until the fish stocks recover).
- >
-
- The Feds helped bail out deHavilland and Algoma. During the late
- eighties, when spending exploded, just has to be redirected to welfare.
- For the last couple of decades, the level of spending by the Ontario
- government was around 15% of GDP...under the NDP it is now near 20%...
- that is why there is a deficit...spending is 5% of GDP above normal
- levels of spending.
-
- > I doubt that Ontario's deficit would be very much different if we had
- >elected a Liberal or Conservative government. Ontario has been blindsided by
- >the recession and the Federal government.
-
- The foolishness of the Ontario government in the late eighties with
- double digit spending and taxation increases year after year created
- not only Ontario's economic mess, but most of Canada's.
-
- Gerald
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