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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 10:17:45 -0500
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- From: Steven Zikopoulos <szikopou@CCS.CARLETON.CA>
- Subject: Re: Ethics
- In-Reply-To: <9301280259.AB06648.6648@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca>; from "Tor
- Neilands" at Jan 27, 93 5:16 pm
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- Tor Neilands writes:
- >
- > Stephanie Fishkin writes:
- >
- [text regarding Zimbardo and Milgram studies deleted]
-
- >
- > This is a tough issue. We can get even grayer (sp; ww?) than that: what
- > about the "almost true results" that are "massaged" into truth and
- > published? We don't know how much of that is going on out there. I've seen
- > entirely too much of it in my graduate career, to the point where I'm very
- > cynical about what I read in journals, now. I don't blame individual
- > researchers as much as I blame the incentive system that has put enormous
- > pressure on folks to "publish" or "perish". Sigh...
- >
-
- Well...as part of the future of North American Psychology you have
- identified a problem with the 'system'. I agree that the p or p
- system (guess we can't get out of an Industrial Model of efficiency,
- success, etc.) causes problems. That is, if we care enough about the
- "quality" of the research we do.
-
- When DO we start balming individuals? We have to at some point if you
- or I want the 'system' to change for the "better" (assuming we know or
- have some vague sense of what a better system would be like).
-
- Any thoughts on what researach SHOULD be for and about? Given that
- some of us feel that p or p causes problems; what can we do to change
- it? Are there enough grad students in Pychology who want to actively
- try and shape the future of North American psychology? (a tad
- grandiose perhaps but who cares?) Perhaps most
- of us are content with our "apprenticeships" and the education we
- receive from it?
-
- I'll stop babbling now. It was a relief to see a posting that didn't
- contain athletic skatological discourse.
-
- Steven Zikopoulos
- Carleton University
-