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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 03:01:00 CST
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- From: Betty Harris <B1H6017@TAMVENUS.BITNET>
- Subject: bathroom ethics
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- Hiya again,
- Sorry I've kinda dropped out of the bathroom/ethics/etc discussion.
- Somehow the powers that be, decided that I ought to teach a section
- on intro psych and 2 sections of an experimental psych lab this
- semester plus try to finish a huge lit review, revise a paper to
- resubmit and propose my dissertation this semester... (Perhaps
- retribution for bad behavior in a previous life *laugh* I dunno)
- Anyhow, here goes again. :)
-
- Johan writes:
- >So, what does this have to with handwashing behavior, Betty? Is
- >handwashing going to be considered a coping mechanism for personal space
- >inavsion? I would be very happy to read about your proposed extension,
- >please repost your thoughts on matter. Even if it is just for fun.
- The original question of interest was a replication of a published
- study on social norms to give my experimental psych class experience
- at doin research. Note that out of the 50 or so field studies we
- found, they picked this one. Then the methodologist in me came out and
- I added the self report aspect of the study, to see if self report
- would be congruent with observed behavior (Too late to actually
- collect self report from the same sample we observed). Anyhow,
- I *do* want to run the project that I discussed in my earlier posting
- and I think that I *would* of run it this semester if I hadn't brought
- it up on this list, and had that scary word brought up (Ethics)
- cuz personally I didn't see any problem with it. I'm *still*
- not real sure that I see a problem with it. Altho now it will be on
- the back burner till I have time to go thru the irb and see what
- they have to say about it. On a sidenote, experimental psych labs
- don't typically submit their projects to any IRC approval process
- here at A&M. Is this common practice?
-
- I think it would be really cool if some of us used our exp psych
- labs to replicate this paradigm in various 'public' situations
- varying in the degree of social desirability pressures to see just
- how biased self report is. I study sexual behavior and it's a *very*
- important issue to me!!! The problem in my area is that I'd get thrown
- in jail, don't pass go, don't collect $200 for snoopin on sexual
- behavior!!
-
- >Matthew writes:
- >Larry, the relevance of the results were completely irrelevant to
- >the discussion at hand (*er-hem*). The relevance of the method was
- >targeted at the issue of ethical treatment of subjects. The question
- >is, do we have the right, as researchers, to invade the privacy of others
- >without asking for their consent. What constitutes an invasion
- >>privacy? This is the relevant issue here, not the results of the
- >study. Perhaps in another discussion the results could be put in
- >question.
- Welll Matthew... there's several questions here..
- 1) does the proposed benefits of the study outweigh the harm to the
- subjects?
- In this case I think it does because we need to have some idea of
- how biased self reports of behavior are, and in what situations
- they tend to be more of less biased (I myself would prefer to study
- systemic reponding that results from the construct of interest
- rather than systematic social desirability responding). Secondly,
- our subjects were in a public area of the restroom. There was no
- intervention, it didn't affect their lives in any form or fashion
- whatsoever.
-
- 2) just what is a public place?
- That's a good question. Anywhere that other people could observe
- one's behavior? I myself consider the sink area in public restrooms
- to be a public area. but by the same rationnale the urinals would
- also be a public area... *shrug* Is public defined by the
- characteristics of the situation *or* by the subject's perception
- of "aloneness" in the situation?
-
- From the APS Discussion list chuck kalish wrote:
- >I think the part that troubles me is that (in one condition)
- > your observers are hidden. If I remember the original
- > message correctly one question was the difference in the
- > rate of handwashing with observers present/absent. Here
- > the subject is being deceived into thinking they are alone.
- Ahhhhhh deception creeps into the picture...
- 3) is it ethical to observe someone in a public place who *thinks*
- that they are alone?
- a) and does this depend on the "sensitiveness" of the
- behavior being observed?
-
- Well I think it is if
- 1) the subjects remain anonymous and,
- 2) you don't affect their lives in any way.
-
- Jeez... but from my criteria I *could* get a telephoto night vision
- lens and go to favorite teenage 'parking' areas, or perhaps drive-in
- movies and unobtrusively observe all sorts of courtship and sexual
- behavior. why is that different from unobtrusively observing
- people at shopping malls?
-
- Comments?
-
- *yawn*
- Laters!
- Betty
-