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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:05:24 CDT
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- From: Bernard Lang <Bernard.Lang@inria.fr>
- Subject: Re: what is an electronic journal?
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- ----------------------------Original message----------------------------
- I unfortunately do not have the time to answer at length.
-
- So I will just raise a few points:
-
- - I fail to see what is the contribution of traditional publishers,
- or of almost any other body, in the publishing of electronic journal.
- All the real technical work (writing, selection, reviewing,
- coordination, etc..) is done by the scientific community. And what is
- left can, in an electronic setting, be done with very little means.
-
- - Considering the tiny future contribution of publishers to the
- process, I do not see why they should own copyrights, which is the
- only way the payment system can work. The information is produced for
- free, and should be available for free (or just the cost of the
- transmission medium). WE DO NOT NEED PUBLISHERS, at least not for
- journal, and they know it too (they are scared).
- I am not saying there is no future role for publishers, I do not
- know.
-
- - the proposals I have seen are impressively unimaginative, and
- quite totalitarian (I wonder about the political views of their
- authors - Benito, I am talking to you...).
-
- - the role of libraries is (in my uninformed view) to:
- - preserve the information (it has to be much duplicated to be safe)
- - organize the information (preferably in a variety of ways)
- - help retrieval
- A LIBRARY IS NOT A PHONE BOOTH for accessing the information
- central service.
-
- > I believed it is an appropriate role for the science library to pay for
- > information needed by its clients. We should, however, encourage a system
- > that makes it possible for us to pay for information that is used and NOT pay
- > for information that is not used. We need a way to evaluate library
- > performance based on user satisfaction instead of counting large numbers of
- > documents that may, or may not, ever be used.
- >
- > Storing information in anticipation of use is not necessarily a role of
- > libraries. It is an historic role, but in the electronic environment it may
- > be unnecessary and costly baggage.
-
- I strongly disagree. Preservation has too be done in many different
- ways to be safe (look at nature preservation of genetic information).
- You do not want information preserving policies to be centralized
- (unless you are politically uncredibly naive, and that applies to
- science too). Why should one pay for what has always been free (before
- the publisher tag). Publishers need not sollicit... let those who have
- something to say write it. The only purpose of solliciting is to
- undercut other publishers, not to help the public.
-
- Selecting papers on the basis of readership is silly. As a scientist
- I well know that the correlation between scientific quality and
- readership is quite limited. Fashion plays an important role. Major
- contributions are often hard to read, and read by few people, and
- often quickly superseeded by more readable but then less original
- papers.
-
- Quality evaluation by the masses, as proposed, is the way you got the
- high quality TV found in the US and many other countries. Good luck.
-
- Same remarks apply to indexes and abstracts. There is no reason to
- pay the outrageous prices we are currently paying. All we need is a
- little bit of organization.
-
- I am impressed that some of us want to perpetuate structures that
- create information poverty. How much are you going to bill third world
- countries. I am just incensed by some of the things I have read in
- previous transaction.
-
-
- The last point is that many scientist are already distributing their
- work electronically for free. How well organized are libraries to take
- advantage of this (for example my own institute has many reports and
- software systems available by anonymous FTP).
-
- I have to add that I am a research scientist, an author and a
- library user, but not a librarian (though I am obviously interested).
-
- With apologies for anything I may have said a bit too fast.
-
- Bernard Lang
- INRIA
- Bernard.Lang@inria.fr
-
- "My views are my own, and I share them"
-