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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:27:00 CST
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- From: NETTRAIN <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
- Subject: Re: Tips on ftp training
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- ----------- Original message below forwarded by NETTRAIN moderator ------------
-
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 14:28:07 -0800 (PST)
- From: Carol Brand <cbrand@nwnet.net>
-
-
- I've been training mostly K-12 teachers in the past year, and one of the
- biggest challenges I've faced has been helping them to understand the
- hierarchical directory structure of most ftp servers. As an aid, I use an
- overhead that shows that the path pub/mirror/chemistry/xblat.Z can be
- visualized as:
-
- HOME
- |
- |
- ----------------------------
- | | |
- PUB nic bin
- |
- |
- -------------------
- | | |
- info stuff MIRRORS
- |
- |
- ___________________
- | |
- math CHEMISTRY
- |
- |
- _____________________
- | | |
- XBLAT.Z 234.zip tr9.tar
-
-
- UHHGG! I hope my overheads look better than that, but you get the idea.
- Also, I find that it is important to help new users distinguish between
- directories and files. Too many people get frustrated because they try
- to transfer directories and cd into files :^).
-
- Anyway...on to your question....
-
- I don't like using only a projector, because I think people learn better
- by doing rather than watching.
-
- My classes typically have 16-18 participants in them and having everyone
- log into one host does have it's problems. I have found however that
- some of the more robust sites are able to accommodate us all. The
- following servers have worked for me:
-
- wuarchive.wustl.edu
- ftp.sura.net
- ftp.uu.net
-
- Sometimes is takes a couple of trys for everyone to get in, but
- eventually, we all make it.
-
- If for some reason you need to use a site that will not take everyone, I
- suggest splitting the class up by rows. Have handouts prepared that give
- explicit instructions for logging in, locating a file, and transferring
- it. Then as people begin the process, you can move back and forth
- between rows, providing help as needed.
-
-
- *******************************************
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-
- On Tue, 26 Jan 1993, NETTRAIN wrote:
-
- > ----------- Original message below forwarded by NETTRAIN moderator
- ------------
- >
- > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 93 11:30:42 MST
- > From: Skip <DUSKNOX%IDBSU.BITNET@UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
- >
- > I'm looking for guides and advice on training users to use anonymous
- > FTP. I have an outline and such, and plenty of experience, so mostly
- > I'm looking for ideas and perspectives more than a place to begin.
- >
- > But I do also have one specific problem. I'll be in a room with 20
- > users at 20 machines. If everyone tries to FTP to the same place, we'll
- > have problems. How have trainers dealt with this? Every approach I
- > can think of seems to present its own difficulties. I could give each
- > person a different place to go. I could use a projector and just have
- > them watch me do it. I could try to find a place that would accept
- > 20 simultaneous logins (!). Or I could cancel class. :-)
- >
- > Any ideas?
- >
- > Ellis "Skip" Knox dusknox@idbsu.idbsu.edu
- > PC Coordinator & Faculty Computer Lab Supervisor
- > Professor of History
- > Boise State University Boise, Idaho
-