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Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!auvm!SLUVCA.SLU.EDU!MILLESJG X-Envelope-to: nettrain@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu X-VMS-To: @NETTRAIN Message-ID: <A803AD3CE0804B70@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.nettrain Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:09:00 CST Sender: Internet/BITNET Network Trainers <NETTRAIN@UBVM.BITNET> From: NETTRAIN <MILLESJG@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU> Subject: January Hunt Results (from KIDSNET) (fwd) Lines: 1052 ----------- Original message below forwarded by NETTRAIN moderator ------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 18:20:25 -0600 (CST) From: Gleason Sackman <sackman@plains.nodak.edu> Correct and complete message: ---------- Text of forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 18:14:03 PST From: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.EDU (Rick Gates) Subject: January Hunt Results *********************************************************** * * * Results of the January, 1993 * * * * INTERNET HUNT * * * * (long message: about 1,000 lines) * * * *********************************************************** This month we have winners in the individual and team categories. The individual winner is: John Berens University Librarian Olson Library Northern Michigan University Marquette, MI 49855 John scored a perfect 43 out of 43 possible points in an entry dated: Sat, 09 Jan 93 21:29:08 EST And the team winners are: The Panix.Hunt Team Panix Public Unix Access of New York New York, New York. The Panix.Hunt Team scored 42 out of 43 points in an entry dated: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 19:02:19 -0500 (EST) Congratulations to all the winners! Note to the Players ------------------- Thanks to you all for giving us such a good demonstration of how it's done. For those of you requesting your individual scores, they're done, but I'm leaving for Denver tonight. I will mail them to you on Wed night (1/27). Statistics ---------- Total entries: 18 Total individual entries: 15 Total team entries: 3 My Comments about this Hunt --------------------------- 1.There were some tricky moments for me in this Hunt. I set myself up for some tough questions that I'm still tracking down. If anyone can provide more illumination on why Giovanni De Poli's appears to have 5 email addresses, or the Toyota question, fire me off a message and I'll summarize. 2.It's becoming more difficult to grade certain types of responses. Some players used a local Turbo gopher client to connect to their home gopher server. This made it tough to retrace as I don't know where their home gopher is. While I could manage it (because I know the answers!), it may be difficult for others to follow their searches. What I'm thinking of doing next month is asking players to double check that they are including the hostname and port for their home gopher server so that others can follow in their footsteps. 3. Since I've included all the answers for both classes of winners, and I really want to include other good answers, the size of this document is getting out of hand. What I think I'll do from now on, is just pick out a few answers for each question that are good, or clever, or illuminate some little known method for wrestling with the dreaded Net-Beast! :-) Very Inventive Veronica ----------------------- Veronica now has boolean searching capabilities. Precedence is left-to-right, with no nesting operators. It is case-independent. When you access Veronica read the About file for explanations. When I tried it, a search on christmas ...yielded 90 entries, and a search on christmas and tree ...yielded 33 entries, and they looked right. Thanks to D.G. Gilbert, and the folks at U.N. Reno for the extra functionality. Another Home for the Hunt ------------------------- Many thanks to the folks at CICNet as they have provided me with a Gopher for Hunt distribution. Now, rather than having to wait for mail and usnet messages to percolate to them, players can grab the Hunt questions mere seconds after I make them available. The CICNet gopher is available on that long list of US gophers. If you prefer to point your users directly to it (my preference, certainly), here are the details: Name=The Internet Hunt Type=1 Port=70 Path=1/hunt Host=gopher.cic.net Note: It looks like the Hunt is not accessible via Veronica yet. So now, without further delay, here are: The Hunt Answers ================================================================ 1. (5) How does one say "Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" in Czech? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok. Search strategy: telnet panda.uiowa.edu 4. Online Information Services... 12. Veronica (search menu items in most of GopherSpace... 2. Search many (300) Internet gopher menus by SINGLE keyword <?> index word: holiday 130. holiday-greetings Team Winner's Answer -------------------- >telnet scilibx.ucsc.edu \ or, of course, use a gopher client >login: gopher / directly >choice 9, The World >choice 1, Other Internet Gopher Servers >choice 8, Veronica search of much of GopherSpace >choice 2, Search ... Index word...: christmas choose article 140. Merry-Christmas. For those who are interested "Merry Christmas & Happy New Year" in Czech is the following: Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok Other Answers ------------- What's interesting is I had searched veronica on all key words except merry.... I tried merry and got a hit... why didn't christmas work? It does now!!! TurboGopher Home Gopher Server Other Gopher and Information Servers Search Gopherspace using veronica Search on keyword Merry produces a file called Merry Christmas which contains >From soc.roots Thu Dec 19 08:54:02 1991 MERRY X'MAS (or equivalent) AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR - in many languages! Czech Prejeme Vam Vesele Vanoce a stastny Novy Rok ================================================================ 2. (6) Is the Toyota Motor Corporation connected to the Internet? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: The Toyota Motor Corporation, Communication Technology Department, CIS Planning Division, has four Internet addresses: NET-T1: 161.93.0.0 NET-T2: 161.94.0.0 NET-T3: 161.95.0.0 NET-T4: 161.96.0.0 Search strategy: telnet nic.ddn.mil @: whois whois: toyota Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (reynolds): Telnet to nic.ddn.mil (panix) % whois toyota TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM1) TOYOTA-COM1 161.93.0.0 TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM2) TOYOTA-COM2 161.94.0.0 TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM3) TOYOTA-COM3 161.95.0.0 TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS PLANNING DIV. (NET-TOYOTA-COM4) TOYOTA-COM4 161.96.0.0 Toyota College of Technology (NET-TOYOTA-CTNET) TOYOTA-CTNET 133.85.0.0 Toyota Technological Institute (NET-TOYOTA-TI) TOYOTA-TI 133.21.0.0 Toyota, Yasuo (YT11) apaj-imo-o@ZAMA-EMH1.ARMY.MIL (DSN) 233-5821 To single out one record, look it up with "!xxx", where xxx is the handle, shown in parenthesis following the name, which comes first. Other Answers ------------- The strict answer is no (no IP connection). The users answer is: yes, you can send mail to them. I found no references in the usual databases (nic.ddn.mil etc) but there is a domain called toyota.co.jp belonging to the Toyota Motor Corporation. It can be found by telnetting to nnsc.nsf.net (Q10), logging in as wais and selecting the uumap.src database. Then you can search for toyota. (Short answer: use the wais source uumap.src to search for toyota ;-) ----- 1. telnet archie.au 2. login: netfind 3. Seed database lookup 4. Seed database search 5. Keys (blank to exit): toyota The answer is fk.toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, japan toyota.co.jp toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan tytlabs.co.jp toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan ----- Telnet 134.82.11.4 185 to Knowbot white pages and enter "Toyota." Results: Name: TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY DEPT,CIS PLANNING DIV. Phone: 161.93.0.0 E-Mail: TOYOTA-COM1 Source: whois@nic.ddn.mil Ident: NET-TOYOTA-COM1 Last updated: (unknown) [Rick: other entries omitted as they are listed above...] [etc....] Answer: Yep! ----- telnet to quake.think.com (WAIS), login as wais select "domain-organizations" search for "Toyota" This produces (if we ignore one unusable result) the following <D>omain/<O>rganization/<H>ost information: %D fk.toyota.co.jp %O toyota motor corporation, japan %H tmclab %D toyota.co.jp %O toyota motor corporation, aichi, japan, japan %H qe %D tytlabs.co.jp %O toyota central research and development laboratories, inc, japan %H milab elmlab iclab robotics [Rick:The question on Toyota was tricky as some leads indicated that they were not directly connected to the Internet. What I was looking for was not a particular type of connectivity, but reachability via some method. This is the kind of simplistic question that reference librarians get all the time.] ================================================================ 3. (3) Hi! I have a new account on a unix machine here, and I HATE the editor I have for my mail. It's called vi. So I found another editor that I can use called emacs. Emacs is supposed to be customizable, but I've managed to screw things up a little. Can you tell me where I can get some advice from more experienced emacs users? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: there are 27 internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest groups that cover emacs. Two of the broadest are emacs@bnadp11.bitnet and emacs@tcsvm.bitnet. You can post questions about emacs to these and other lists and experienced users will respond. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 9. The World/ 1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/ 8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/ 2. Search many (300) Internet Gopher menus by Single keyword <?> index word: listserv 36. Search the list of internet/bitnet/LISTSERV interest groups <?> index word: emacs Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (simona, reynolds): These are the various emacs newsgroups. My guess is the first one. ** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709 comp.emacs: 1-6486 gnu.emacs.announce: 1-50 gnu.emacs.bug: 1-2838 gnu.emacs.gnews:1-79 gnu.emacs.gnus: 1-1950 gnu.emacs.sources: 1-1072 gnu.emacs.vm.bug: 1-1113 gnu.emacs.vm.info: 1-680 gnu.emacs.vms: 1-184 (jhawk) Will you get more credit if you detail where this information came from? If so, you can say ``grep emacs /usr/lib/news/active'' or something. A better answer might be to ftp the active file from ftp.uu.net (that's the most authoritative one around) and grep through that. >** gnu.emacs.help: 1-6709 >comp.emacs: 1-6486 Note that the 2 of these are slightly different but largely overlapping. comp.emacs might be a better choice as the question doesn't actually specify GNU emacs. Other Answers ------------- While running GNU-emacs, press C-h C-d to view the DISTRIB document supplied with GNU-emacs. This document lists the host site for GNU-emacs as prep.ai.mit.edu. FTP to prep.ai.mit.edu and GET file MAILINGLISTS from directory /pub/gnu/gnuinfo. This document lists a USENET newsgroup, gnu.emacs.help, that is available for receiving help on general and specific questions about using emacs. It also states that a one-way gate is provided in USENET newsgroup ================================================================ 4. (5) Can you get AIDS from kissing? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer. Some sexual activities are safer than others. Practicing safe sex really means changing your sexual lifestyle in a number of ways. Hugging, massaging, and mutual masturbation are absolutely safe. French kissing, oral sex without climaxing, and intercourse with both a condom and spermicide (not foams) are reasonably safe. Any sex in which there is bleeding, intercourse without a condom, and bodily fluids in your mouth, or sharing objects used in sexual stimulation are unsafe. Search strategy: telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca login: chat select an information file: aids ask a question: can you get AIDS from kissing? Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (clay): telnet to debra.dgbt.doc.ca login as "chat" select the AIDS database -- This is the dialog: Type a Question or Press ENTER to browse: Aids from kissing? [Rick: I won't bother including the same text again...] ================================================================ 5. (3) I read in an electronic journal somewhere that a conference was help in Padova, Italy on models of musical signals. I wrote down the name of a contact, 'Giovanni De Poli'. Can you find his email address for me? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: the address is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 9. The World/ 7. Worldwide Internet Phone & Address Directories/ 4. Internet-wide e-mail address searches/ 2. NetFind server at AARNet (Melbourne, Australia) <tel> 2. Search enter person and keys: poli padova select domains 3 4 5 Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER: We found two email addresses for him. See below. (tovah): telnet mudhoney.micro.umn.edu (or any other netfind site) (OK, OK, to be honest, I just went thru InfoSlug again, using choices: 9,7,4,7) login: netfind choose "2. Search" Enter person and keys.... --> poli padova italy (Then narrow down your choice of domains: I used 6 5 3) Answer: depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it (I originally tried "giovanni" instead of "poli" but: (a) I had forgotten that Giovanni is just Italian for John and got back lots and lots of answers; and (b) the target guy wasn't included anyhow, because he's listed as "Gianni De Poli".) (rryan): The email address of Giovanni Di Poli is "depoli@giulia.dei.unipd.it". I got this by sending the command "send usenet-addresses/giovanni" (as the text of a mail message) to "mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu" Other Answers ------------- [Rick: The following looks like the best answer.] Telnet to sun.uakom.cs (yes, the Czech one), log in as netfind and search for 'poli padova italy'. Select the unipd.it domain (just one of the six choices you get) and wait a while. Netfind gives you the most probable address of someone called Gianni de Poli (short for Giovanni ?): SYSTEM: sabrina.dei.unipd.it Login name: depoli In real life: Gianni De Poli Directory: /users/noi/depoli Never logged in. No Plan. SUMMARY: The most promising email address for "poli" based on the above search is depoli@sabrina.dei.unipd.it. There's a catch however: this address hasn't been used yet (and will not be used ever given the noi (no interactive?) clue). Normally one would drop the sabrina part and use the address depoli@dei.unipd.it. A small investigation revealed that mail for depoli@dei.unipd.it is delivered to a machine called paola (allthough netfind tells you that it goes to sabrina!) and the command finger depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it reveales: [paola.dei.unipd.it] User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location depoli Giovanni De Poli 7:31 *co giulia.d console So (with a little guessing) the real answer is: depoli@dei.unipd.it (In general one should be suspicious about addresses with 'hostnames' in it. I normally always drop machine specific parts in mail addresses and let the network find the best delivery method unless I have hard evidence (in case of your own address ;-) that the machine part should be specified. Netfind isn't hard evidence !) ----- 1. telnet archie.au 2. login: netfind 3. Search Enter person and keys (blank to exit) --> depoli Padova Italy There are too many domains in the list. Please select at most 3 of the following: 0. anna.dei.unipd.it (d.e.i. universita' di padova, italy) 1. astrpd.astro.it (astronet, vicolo dell'osservatorio, padova,italy) 2. bio.unipd.it (biology department, universita' di padova,italy) 3. dei.unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy) 4. ipdunivx.unipd.it (universita' di padova, centro calcolo diateneo, d ell'universita' di padova, v. s.francesco, padova, italy) 5. necsy.it (necsy s.p.a, padova, italy) 6. unipd.it (universita' di padova, italy) Enter selection (e.g., 3 1 2) --> 6 MAIL FOR Giovanni De Poli IS FORWARDED TO depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it 4. finger depoli@anna.dei.unipd.it [anna.dei.unipd.it] User Real Name What Idle TTY Host Console Location depoli Giovanni De Poli 14:46 *co giulia.d console [Rick: This was a tough nut for me to crack. I still haven't finished it yet. It seems there is more than one way to reach Giovanni. To try to settle the matter, I sent a mail message to Giovanni at both sabrina and anna, and received the following message which doesn't exactly clear things up. Note the From: line in the header.] From: depoli@paola.dei.unipd.it (Giovanni De Poli) To: lb05gate%ucsbuxa@hub.ucsb.edu Subject: Re: Question from the Internet Hunt Yes, I am Giovanni De Poli. My best E-mail address is depoli@dei.unipd.it ================================================================ 6. (2) What is the primary religion in Somalia? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: almost entirely Sunni Muslim. Search Strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 7. The Researcher/ 4. Social Sciences/ 4. CIA World Factbook <?> index word: somalia 3. Somalia Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (simona): gopher scilibx.ucsc.edu 70 choice 6, Library choice 6, Electronic Reference Books choice 2, CIA World Factbook 1991 choice 2, Search CIA World Factbook 1991 choice 2, Somalia Under the heading of Religion: Sunni Muslim COMMENT (clay): I used the Panix gopher! Other Answers ------------- 1. telnet quake.think.com 2. login: wais 3. goto 351: [ cmns-moon.think.com] world-factbook 4. search for somalia The answer is Religion: almost entirely Sunni Muslim ----- ! Used the Univ. of Minnesota Gopher. ! Selected Electronic Books and performed a keyword search ! on SOMALIA ! Presented me with World Facts Book entry for Somalia. ! Full Gopher technical entry listed below Name=Somalia /Gutenberg/factbook/S/ Type=0 Port=70 Path=R0-8684-/Gutenberg/factbook/S/Somalia Host=joeboy.micro.umn.edu ================================================================ 7. (4) I understand that the Net is being put to use distributing information and pictures of missing children. Where can I find out more, and where can I find the pictures? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: missing child GIFs are available through FidoNet. On the Internet, they can be ftp'd from halcynom.com. More information can be obtained from Marv Cotton, the Heidi Search Center, 2402 Pat Booker Rd., Universal City, TX 78148-3210, email: marv.cotton@fquest.fidonet.org. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 9. The World/ 2. Other Internet Systems and Databases/ 8. Search FTP Sites (Archie)/ 1. Exact search of Archive sites on the Internet <?> index word: alt.missing-kids 2. cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (des): The news-group "alt.missing-kids" is the place to look. The "official" site for the gifs (they have hundreds) is "halcyon.com". The gifs (and related files) are in "pub/alt.missing-kids.gifs". anonymous ftp to halcyon.com cd pub/alt.missing-kids.gif Other Answers ------------- On the French EMBnet gopher there is a directory for all newsgroups. I found a group called alt/missing-kids. Using this as a keyword for archie I got this menu: Internet Gopher Information Client v1.1 cs.dal.ca:/pub/comp.archives/alt.missing-kids/ --> 1. missing-child-gifs. This file contains the following: I would like to remind everyone that the Missing Child GIFs are available through the FIDO Filebone, also distribution can be made by Freqing and returning the REQUEST.ZIP form from 387/622, 2612/107, 384/3 or 343/34. INTERNET: The GIFs are available for FTP from Halcyon.COM or Fquest. RIME: The GIFs are available through Russell Coombs. GT or other Nets please get in touch with me to ensure the GIFs are available to you. ----- [Rick: The following didn't get full points, but it seems like valuable information for those interested in pursuing this topic.] ! Used Veronica to keyword search on Children and ! Found a listing and Missing Children, this is all that ! I located pertaining to a database being planned. This item moved over AppleLink 6-Feb-92, 23:20PST. SCHENECTADY, NY - Computer Users for Social Responsibility, Inc. CUSR is also negotiating with a major online service to host a Child Find Forum online which will act as an educational and distribution center on the issue of missing children. More than 75 million Americans own a personal computer and 25% of those have access to a modem which allows them to engage in online communcations, Rittner said. To contact Don Rittner from the INTERNET: drittner@uacs1.albany.edu OR UG0194@AppleLink.Apple.COM OR home 518 374-1088 snail mail is 1726 Lenox Rd., Schenectady, NY 12308" ================================================================ 8. (4) Where can I find tables listing the nutritive values of different foods? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: the tables are in the USDA Nutrient Data BAse for Standard Reference, Release 10--Nutrient Data from Agricultural Handbook No. 8. There are more than 20 files of data. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 9. The World/ 1. Other Internet Gopher Servers/ 8. Veronica Search of much of GopherSpace/ 2. Search many (300) Internet gopher servers by Single keyword <?> index word: nutrition 1. Nutrition Information/ 1. Nutrient Data/ 2. Data/ 2. SR10/ Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (tovah, mintak): anonymous ftp to info.umd.edu cd info/Goverment/US/NutrientData/Data/SR10 The files that exist here are the raw data in computer format. cd info/Government/US/NutrientData/Bulletins datalist -- contains ordering information of database information datadesc -- contains file format of data filedesc -- contains file descriptions of the files. Note: The data in the SR10 is split up among many files. You have to read filedesc to figure which file goes with what. Other Answers ------------- Telnet University of Minnesota gopher: consultant.micro.umn.edu. Select 9 (other), 2 (search Veronica) and search "nutrition". Select 1 (nutrition information), 1 (nutrient data), 2 (data), 1 (other), 4 (hg72.doc), 3 (hg72.dat). It was necessary to look at the Readme files in the final selection options before making the correct choice. [Rick: I checked, and the data in all of these files is stored in ascii comma delimited format, a format readable by most database managers and spreadsheets.) ================================================================ 9. (3) What is the text of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Search strategy: telnet infoslug.ucsc.edu (login: gopher) 6. The Library/ 3. Electronic Books and Other Texts/ 15. Historical Documents/ 1. Amendments Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (simona): anonymous ftp to ftp.eff.org cd /pub/academic/civics file is called constitution.us COMMENT (reynolds): ftp to either ftp.uu.net (in docs I think), or one of the ftp sites at utoronto.edu [Rick: 1 point off for not giving me the text.] ================================================================ 10. (5) You know, I've gotten a lot of good network information by FTPing files from nnsc.nsf.net. What kind of computer and operating system is nnsc.nsf.net? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: SUN-3/280 running UNIX. Search strategy: telnet nic.ddn.mil @ whois whois: host nnsc.nsf.net Team Winner's Answer -------------------- ANSWER (des): % whois nnsc.nsf.net NSFNet (CIC2) Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. 10 Moulton Street Cambridge, MA 02138 Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET Address: 128.89.1.178 >>>>> System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX Coordinator: Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM (617) 873-4143 domain server NSFNET End-User Support Record last updated on 26-Mar-92. To see this host record with registered users, repeat the command with a star ('*') before the name; or, use '%' to show JUST the registered users. % HINT (reynolds): The hosts file at nic.ddn.mil might have this information. (nina): nslookup will do this, but I don't have the syntax handy right now. Other Answers ------------- [Rick: I think the following is the best answer] Answer: SUN-3/280 running SunOS release 4.1.1 First TELNET NIC.DDN.MIL or 192.112.36.5 @WHOIS Whois: NNSC.NSF.NET ! Lets see what the official NIC entry about NNSC.NSF.NET ! says. Extra info provided such as who to contact with ! questions. NSFNet (CIC2) Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. 10 Moulton Street Cambridge, MA 02138 Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET Address: 128.89.1.178 ! Next line is simple blurb about computer system and ! operating system System: SUN-3/280 running UNIX Coordinator: Mills, Cynthia G. (CGM6) cmills@BBN.COM (617) 873-4143 domain server NSFNET End-User Support Record last updated on 26-Mar-92. ! Last update 26-Mar-92? Let us check to see if we got all ! the info, let's connect through TELNET and check a few more ! details. Telnet NNSC.NSF.NET or 128.89.1.178 and you get: SunOS UNIX (nnsc.nsf.net) ! Those familiar with unix may know that there is often a ! standard login entry called sync which will show detailed ! info, below is revealed the exact version of the operation ! system. login: sync SunOS Release 4.1.1 (NNSC) #2: Fri Oct 16 17:21:31 EDT 1992 ----- Telnet to the Knowbot white pages (Telnet 134.82.11.4 185). Enter "nnsc.nsf.net" yields results: > nnsc.nsf.net Name: NSFNet Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Address: 10 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, Hostname: NNSC.NSF.NET, Nicknames: NIC.NNSC.NSF.NET, Address: 128.89.1.178, System: SUN-3/280 running UNI X, [etc...] [Rick: Many players noted that during the process of connecting to this host you get a message that this is a Sun running Unix. The information above is more specific, and thus received more points.] ================================================================ Extra Credit. (1) Where can I find the exact time? Individual Winner's Answer -------------------------- Answer: the National Bureau of Standards Time Service gives you the current time as read from the National Bureau of Standards reference clock in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Search strategy: telnet nessie.cc.wwu.edu (username: LIBS) 4. Databases and Information Services 7. Weather/Time/Earthquakes 3. National Bureau of Standards Time Service Team Winner's Answer -------------------- HINT (reynolds): Look in comp.protocols.time.ntp. A good site probably is the United States Naval Observatory. (rpowers): From the doc file for a PD program call AtomClock: AtomClock will dial the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington D.C., read the 1200 BAUD time signal their atomic clock puts out and set the Amiga system clock accordingly. The phone # is 1-202-653-0351. I don't know if there is internet access to this. (des): The above is not really an "Internet" answer to the question, as it bypasses the Internet. I could not find an Internet-site specifically for this, but the site "louie.udel.edu" is the net-repository for ntp (Network Time Protocol) software and is itself an ntp server synchronized to the "exact time" of the atomic-clock: louie.udel.edu (128.175.1.3) Location: University of Delaware, Newark, DE >>> Synchronization: NTP secondary (stratum 2), Vax-11/780/Unix Service area: NSFNET, SURA region Access policy: open access Contact: Dave Mills (mills@udel.edu) Thus that site certainly should have the correct time. Doing an anonymous ftp to this site, yields the correct time in the introductory message: % ftp louie.udel.edu Connected to louie.udel.edu. 220-Welcome to the University of Delaware EE/CIS ftp server! 220- 220-Anonymous users: 220- 220- Please do not upload any image files. 220- 220- Please avoid our busy times, 10:00 - 17:00 weekdays. 220- We are on the east coast of the United States. 220- Local time is Thu Jan 7 18:45:59 1993. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (jhawk): [sun!jhawk] ~> telnet louie.udel.edu daytime Trying 128.175.1.3 ... Connected to louie.udel.edu. Escape character is '^]'. Thu Jan 7 19:27:41 1993 Connection closed by foreign host. Rick's Answer ------------- telnet a2i.rahul.net login: guest choose t and you get a running readout.. >> Current time Hit ^C to abort... Thu Jan 21 13:23:40 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:41 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:42 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:43 1993 Thu Jan 21 13:23:44 1993 etc... choose f for Interesting features and you will find the following explanation: The a2i system clock is indirectly traceable to NIST via the Network Time Protocol. It is usually accurate to within 0.3 seconds. (Select "t" from the menu to get a second-by-second count.) Other Answers ------------- The "exact" time is relative. You can find the time that any computer on the Internet has by telnet hostname daytime. The host india.colorado.edu is supposedly connected to the NBS reference clock in Colorado Springs. This should be as "exact" as you need. For example, telnet india.colorado.edu daytime gives: Trying 128.138.140.44 ... Connected to india.colorado.edu. Escape character is '^]'. Sun Jan 10 11:25:22 1993 Connection closed by foreign host. ----- Also found with the help of Veronica: Name=Current Date and Time (Pacific) Type=0 Port=70 Path=0/computing/ian-testing/give-date Host=whistler.sfu.ca or if you are on a UNIX system use the Network Time Protokol (NTP) with the appropriate software to have your system time updated via the net. ----- Use a time-serving host, e.g. tutimea.tuwien.ac.at, for reference. [Rick: Another tricky extra credit. I knew the service at tycho.usno.navy.mil was not working as advertised. The Network Time Protocol keeps the system clocks up-to-date on most Unix hosts on the Net. For many folks, the time on their own local host is as accurate as they could want. I believe the service mentioned above for the Amiga also has a parallel for Macs over the network. If I find more info, I'll post it later.] ================================================================ Mystery Question ---------------- Howdy, I just saw your latest internet hunt questions, and I am thinking that you are the right person to ask this question. I have been trying to locate an online source of the billboard top 100, or top forty for country,soul or r&b. I know that billboard magazine is indexed in asap2 which is offered by Dialog, and I have tried searching it, but no luck, any suggestions thanks dan mahoney dmahone@hal.unm.edu Answers ------- Here is an update on the Billboard charts for the week ending 12/12/92: Copyright Billboard Magazine (1992) To see this file try "finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu". ----- ANSWER (nina): anonymous ftp to cs.uwp.edu look in the directory pub/music/lists/billboard. (ss): finger buckmr@aix.rpi.edu ----- Mystery Question: According to "archie billboard", host cs.uwp.edu is supposed to have a /pub/music/billboard directory. Upon FTPing there, I discovered that they no longer have it. What they do have in /pub/music/info are the weekly Record & Radio industry top 20's. ----- [Rick: This can also be found with a simple veronica search on the term "billboard". It yields: --> 1. (dir) Billboard Charts/ --> 9. jan23.1993/ --> 1. CHART: US Top10 (1/23) ] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gleason Sackman BBS: sackman@sendit.nodak.edu Coordinator Internet: sackman@plains.nodak.edu SENDIT - NoDak's K-12 Telcom Network Bitnet: sackman@plains.bitnet BOX 5164, NDSU Computer Center Voice: (701)237-8109 Fargo, ND 58105 Fax: (701)237-8541