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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:24:13 GMT
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- From: George Welling <welling@FREYA.LET.RUG.NL>
- Subject: Re: I don't know much history ...
- In-Reply-To: <9301241558.AA17439@freya.let.rug.nl> from "Christopher Currie"
- atJan 24, 93 04:53:55 pm
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- > I have also heard that language teaching in schools in the
- > Netherlands, which used to be outstanding, has deteriorated in
- > the last ten years or so. Perhaps George Welling could refute
- > that for us.
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- I do not think I can refute that. When I started studying History in 1971 in
- Amsterdam, one was expected to read all the modern languages (and indeed we
- had handbooks in all of them) and Latin and ancient Greek. The next year,
- Latin and Greek were dropped, and a couple of years later, only English became
- the required modern language. When I became a teacher at Amsterdam University
- in '83 students were constantly complaining when they had to read articles in
- English. In high-school they are obliged to take one of the modern languages
- next to Dutch and most often they will take English. When I was in high-school
- in the sixties, we had French, German, English and Dutch in most school-types:
- I was in the classical gymnasium and we also had Latin and Greek. We also got
- the opportunity to learn eather Russian or Spanish for two years, so I took
- Spanish also.
- But I do not want to be that negative about it. Most students have a much
- better active mastering of the English language than we had. Accents like most
- of our diplomats and ministers have when they try to speak English, are
- becoming rare. The influence of TeeVee and rockk and roll, and much more
- emphasis on speaking than on reading than in my days. Most of the students are
- capable of writing in English.
- Changes in the curriculum are not always for the worse. My wife, who studies
- the history of education, says that complaints about the quality of
- education are nothing new: they have always been there. Still I think that the
- average quality has improved.
-
- Sad that one of my all time favourite songs led to this discussion
-
- don't know much about history
- don't know much about biology
- don't know much about science books
- don't know much about the French I took
- but I do know that I love you
- etc...
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- George M. Welling - dep.Alfa-Informatica HCI - University of Groningen
- phone : +31 50 63 54 74 | fax : +31 50 63 49 00 | welling@let.rug.nl
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