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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:00:07 -0500
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- From: "Jane Clark Lindle,
- University of Kentucky" <JCLIND00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>
- Subject: What's public?
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- Yes, John Wong, I am a UW Alum --- But you may regret advertising this
- fact because of what I'll say about being one. I loved my experiences
- there because we had a rather open environment in which to prusue our
- own interests.....But that leads me to my first point.
-
- Firstly, I don't believe that Ed Schools promote or support any
- ideology. For references I suggest Goodlad, Soder & Sirotnik _Moral
- Dimensions of Teaching_ and Clifford and Guthrie _ Ed School_. Both
- present some stinging criticisms of the lack of ideological and moral
- discussions in Ed. Schools. The latter reference suggests that Ed
- Schools are so besieged economically and intellectually by other
- Colleges or Divisions in the "university" that Ed Schools deny their
- legitimate ties to service, schools, and social issues. Lack of ideology
- is NOT the same thing as not having "gurus" for particular ideologies
- among the faculty. And I think lots of faculties, besides education,
- have these kinds of "Star" systems. I'm not sure that as a student I
- was ever well-read enough or self-confident enough to either understand
- or challenge the "Stars" I ran across. So to the extent that I thought
- simply reciting their positions might help my grades, I may have"bought"
- their ideologies. If there was debate about such ideology, it was debate
- with my fellow students, and not with the "primary" sources. Thus
- explained, I'm not sure I caught an ideology at ANY of my alma maters
- (which besides UW-Madison, includes the University of North Carolina -
- Chapel Hill). The fact that these institutions are "public" may be a
- mitgating factor --- but what is significant is that I'm not sure how.
- Although both are part of the Land grant schools, and I learned about
- the policy on Land Grant institutions historically, Neitherinstitution
- made of the fact in the recruitment process. & Neither printed anything
- on my diplomas/degrees that suggest any significant outcome for being a
- gradof such institutions.
-
- The second thing I'm curious about is why the public/private
- distinction is "ultimately not too important." I think it is because
- the distinctions are at least interesting if not related to particular
- social policy. In the US, public Has meant publically funded. In
- Britain, public meant "mass education". as opposed to home schooling. In
- the US, it has been argued by both proponents of public and private and
- home schooling that the benefits of education --- positive and
- negative--- are public. For instance, even if my child is educated at
- home by private tutors, that child becomes an adult whose activities
- have some impact on society depending on the adequacy of his/her
- education. Unfortunately, it is rare for any school --- public, private
- or home --- to be able to predict or guarantee the outcomes of its
- education to the public, muchless to parents.
-
- Which leads to my third point of curiosity, which is the reference that
- J. Wong made to "if for practical reasons, schools do what parents want
- them to do." Frankly, as a student, as a teachers, as a principal, and
- as a parent, I've found that schools act in their own interest as
- opposed to the demands of parents. Individual appeals by parents rarely
- work. Mass appeals by parents might get a particular person fired (i.e.
- supt., principal, or teacher) but do not result in much change in
- whatever sparked the mass involvement. As a "practical" rule, schools
- do not do what parents want them to do other than keep the kids off the
- streets --- AND that is what the problem is now.
-
- Today, keeping the kids off the streets does not imply that kids are
- SAFE at school. Chelsea has greater KNOWN risks to her safety because
- she is the daughter of the US President. My children and other children
- have infinite unknown risks because we assume that if they are off the
- streets in a school they are safe. And in the last year alone, we have
- enough reports of fights , guns, knives, drugs, etc. at schools on the
- bus and in the neighborhoods to KNOW the kids aren't safe. Why not? and
- What are we going to do about it?
-
- The answers are tied to ideologies espoused by all religions, and
- companies, ---safety, honesty, respect for self and others, ..... ABC
- had a special on "Common Miracles: A revolution in American Education"
- this past weekend. It spoke to many of these same issues.
-
- Jane Clark Lindle, Ph.D., University of Kentucky
- jclind00@ukcc.uky.edu
-