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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 11:52:06 -0800
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- From: Marken@COURIER4.AERO.ORG
- Subject: formulations & gain
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- [From Rick Marken (930125.1130)]
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- Avery.Andrews (930126.510)
-
- >Indeed high-gain systems maintain the perceptions at the references
- >pretty closely, but if the feedback systems involved in kinesthetic
- >movement control are high gain, then Schmidt & Bizzi have some
- >excellent arguments against this kind of control!
-
- And they might be right. But just a quick look over their stuff suggests
- some problems. The Schmidt "lever" control stuff seems to require
- real quick behaviors -- probabaly pushing the frequency response of
- the control systems involved. Bizzi found return to the goal head position
- in deafferented, blind-folded monkeys (pleasant fellow) AFTER the
- disturbance was removed (like finding that a pendulum returns to per-
- pendicular with the ground after the pushes stop. My experience is that
- under normal conditions I can control the position of lever and the position
- of my head in the context of variable disturnbances. So I wonder how
- excellent the Schmidt and Bizzi arguments (and reserach results) actually
- are once you look at the details of what they REALLY did. But I would
- not be surprised to find SOME systems that operate open - loop (like
- the VOR?) -- but I have to believe that they are rare and part of closed
- loop systems anyway.
-
- But more detail on the Schmidt and Bizzi findings would be most
- appreciated.
-
- Best
-
- Rick
-