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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:31:55 CST
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- From: Jim Sinclair <GOLEM@UKANVM.BITNET>
- Subject: Re: Abuse
- In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 14 Jan 1993 14:27:00 EST from <DNWIEBE@OWUCOMCN>
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- On Thu, 14 Jan 1993 14:27:00 EST Speed Bump said:
- > Just because of the innate tendency of human beings to grow through
- >adversity, it's going to be awfully difficult to come up with an extended
- >experience in anyone's life that was totally and completely bad and had
- >absolutely no good effect whatsoever. I suspect that it's similarly difficult
- >to come up with an extended *good* experience that is entirely devoid of
- >*bad* effects.
- > This doesn't mean that I think we ought to deliberately put people
- >through horrible experiences so that they might benefit from the few gems
- >that might be distilled from them; Paul the Apostle puts it quite well in the
- >sixth chapter of his letter to the Romans when he says, "What shall we say
- >then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid!"
- > But I firmly feel that modern pop psychology is dead wrong in its
- >insistence that bad past experiences need to be dealt with and then
- >be eliminated forever. There are useful things to learn from just about
- >*any* experience, even if it's just something like how hard a kidney
- >punch you can take without grimacing. In its headlong rush to *be* happy
- >and well-adjusted, modern society is busily ignoring most of what it takes
- >to *become* happy and well-adjusted, I think.
-
- Dan, I'm with you for the first two paragraphs, but you lost me on that
- last sentence. If you're saying that a person can be happy and well-adjusted
- despite having gone through negative experiences, and can turn those
- negative experiences into learning experiences, then I agree. But are you
- saying *abuse* is part of what it takes to become happy and well-adjusted?!?
-
- As for what Donna says, I was reading over it again and found this in the
- epilogue (I have the English edition--is this part included in the American
- one?): "Most important, I didn't need to be loved to death, but at the
- same time I'd never recommend violence (which I see as quite different
- from punishment). My problems thrived on violence which told me I was
- safe and no-one could get close to me. The degree of violence required to
- actually change my behaviour constituted serious and dangerous abuse.
- This causes damage to the abuser, who is the very person the child needs
- if it ever `comes out'. I could therefore never recommend it. Nevertheless,
- if love won't work, try persistent, detached, non-violent war."
-
- Lisa, Serge, does that help any?
-
- JS
-