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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 10:55:00 CST
- Sender: Discussions on all forms of Music <ALLMUSIC@AUVM.BITNET>
- From: The Central Scrutinizer <CV01@SWTEXAS.BITNET>
- Subject: Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things
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- First, thanks to Jeff B. for his extensive reply about jazz vs. rock
- drumming. I'd still be interested to hear Michael's point of view, but he
- seems to be ignoring me. :*)
-
-
- >Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 11:25:50 CST
- >From: Little Inquisitor <U33963@UICVM.BITNET>
- >Subject: Take-home exam
- >
- >
- >A column by Alex Ross in yesterday's New York Times quotes the composer Alfred
- >Schnittke as saying that "comtemporary reality will make it necessary to experi
- >ence all the music one had heard since childhood, including rock and jazz and a
- >ll other forms, as a synthesis." If true, the Hegelian assertion is replete wi
- >th suggestive possibilities (new idioms and paradigms) but also laden with dang
- >ers (homogenization, similarity, loss of identity and the commonplace). Discus
- >s. Post answers by Super-Bowl day.
-
- First, I'll leave a discussion focusing on technology for others on the
- list.
-
- Re "popular music": These dangers seem to already be present as the
- norm. Since economics and pandering to the lowest common denominator
- already drive the "popular" music arena, I don't expect any real change to
- come about in that area. I expect a continuation of the "catch-of-the-day"
- philosophy of "new" music. In fact, a synthesis of sorts is already in
- place in many of the popular genres. (Witness the crossover "country"
- acts; the garage band phenomenon; the Byrds soundalikes, etc. ad nauseum.)
- The problem is that in achieving this synthesis, much of the essence that
- defined the original forms is lost. The resulting sound is often a weak
- compromise rather than a fresh musical statement.
-
- Without saying specifically "it's all been done before", musical
- expression is prone to returning to elements of previous generations. Even
- if it is created as an outright rejection of the previous sensibilities,
- there has been an acknowledgement of those influences. The attempts to
- meld these influences into a "new" form of expression have been
- unsatisfying for the most part. The "traditionalists" decry the
- bastardization of the "pure" form, while the folks on the opposite end of
- the spectrum don't like the appearance of "stale" ideas.
-
- Maybe, rather than actually creating a relatively seamless new hybrid,
- the future lies in a different way of combining the genres. What I look
- forward to is something along the lines of what John Zorn (or even Praxis)
- does. A "cartoon" (or, to borrow Michael B's word -- "cutup") music that
- extracts elements from many different genres in an almost patchwork fashion
- (juxtaposition rather than synthesis?).
-
- So, what am I really trying to say? I dunno ... maybe that the only way
- to create anything new is to acknowledge that there actually isn't any such
- thing.
-
- My brain hurts ...
-
-
- bye,
- cmv ("chuckrateez")
-