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- From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Illustrating a lack of intellectual content
- Message-ID: <1993Jan29.005438.23013@netcom.com>
- Date: 29 Jan 93 00:54:38 GMT
- References: <1993Jan28.003944.19095@netcom.com> <C1Ks4B.AAB@cup.hp.com>
- Distribution: ba
- Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
- Lines: 88
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- To remain consistent, and having asserted that this post by Mr. Runyan has
- very little intellectual content, I shall now expand. Any coward can make
- an assertion -- very few have the courage to explain and justify.
-
-
- In article <C1Ks4B.AAB@cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
- >Phil Ronzone (phil@netcom.com) wrote:
- >>How sad. Do you really believe this? It's the same concept
- >>that the USSR used in confisticating and then taxing the Jews
- >>that wanted to leave.
- >>
- >Yep, any one idea taken to extremes can rationalize
- >atrocities, especially yours.
-
- Null assertio and name calling. No illustration whatsoever of why Mr. Runyan
- says this. And he edited out useful context.
-
- Well, Mr. Runyan?
-
- You say the State provides "benefits". Benefits at the point of a gun aren't.
- As you deleted, the Jews HAD NO CHOICE in matters such as education,
- which the Soviet State used as an excuse to confiscate their property
- when they tried to leave.
-
-
- >>I am not allowed to string my own power lines, nor to take
- >>back my property that the State stole and gave to the power
- >>companies so they could run power lines across my property.
- >>
- >By your reasoning, you stole resources from your parents,
- >teachers, and city workers to acquire your property, so
- >what's your problem?
-
- Not only another bald assertion with no explanation, but bizarre as well.
-
-
- >>>>What actually happens of course is that some set of people
- >>>>gain enough control of the means of coercion to force another
- >>>>set or sets of people to hand over their property at gunpoint
- >>>>for the first set to dispose of.
- >>>>
- >>>And while you make fun of the analogy of Social Contract by
- >>>asking for a piece of paper, allow me to ask for a picture of
- >>>the gun pointing at you. :-)
- >>>
- >>Oh? Stop paying your income taxes or property taxes. The
- >>State WILL come and take YOUR property away, without your
- >>consent.
- >>
- >Yep, and you continue to use those resource, services, and
- >facilities that the government provides you and your family,
- >almost as if you had contracted for them.
-
- Weak and pathetic. A contract is a MUTUAL agreement between two or more
- people. Even YOU should know by now that it sure ain't mutual. Oh, and as
- for the "provide" part, I pay for those services, typically well above
- market price at that.
-
- >The solution you are so fanatic about is only one of several
- >possible ways of having groups of people interact with each
- >other, and it has its problems as well.
-
- Lack of any other discussion as to WHAT these alternatives are. Fanatic tossed
- in as a slur.
-
- >Mark Runyan
- >
- >P.S. to Phil: Discussion about solutions can be entertaining.
- >Talks regarding ideals can be equally entertaining. But when
- >you resort to the tactics you use, Phil, it isn't a
- >discussion, debate, or exchange of ideas. The sad part is,
- >you actually have something worthwhile to say. At least, it
- >is sad for me, for I can no longer listen to the way you say
- >it.
-
- Tactics not named. Admits ideas are worthwhile.
-
- P.S. to Mark: Ideas are what it is about. If you can't stand the ridicule
- you get from some of your ludricous positions, too bad. Truth hurts only
- when lies are involved.
-
-
-
- --
- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
- environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
-
- These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
-