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- From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Illogic man strikes again!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan29.004639.21916@netcom.com>
- Date: 29 Jan 93 00:46:39 GMT
- References: <1993Jan28.003944.19095@netcom.com> <C1Ks4B.AAB@cup.hp.com>
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- In article <C1Ks4B.AAB@cup.hp.com> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
- >>How sad. Do you really believe this? It's the same concept
- >>that the USSR used in confisticating and then taxing the Jews
- >>that wanted to leave.
- >>
- >Yep, any one idea taken to extremes can rationalize
- >atrocities, especially yours.
-
- Anytime an entity takes something from you at gunpoint, and then "gives"
- you back something, it can't be called a "benefit". That's not an
- extreme, that's not a rationalization, that's a fact.
-
- Did YOU benefit from the State protecting you from North Vietnam from
- 1959 to 1972? By your reasoning you did -- the State taxed you and waged
- war on North Vietnam. By your reasoning, any complaining you do is
- ingratitude.
-
- Change your mind now?
-
-
- >>I am not allowed to string my own power lines, nor to take
- >>back my property that the State stole and gave to the power
- >>companies so they could run power lines across my property.
- >>
- >By your reasoning, you stole resources from your parents,
- >teachers, and city workers to acquire your property, so
- >what's your problem?
-
- Huh? What in hell are you babbling about?
-
- I have stolen nothing. What twisted logic led to that proclamation?
- Please attempt to justify your statement.
-
-
- >Yep, and you continue to use those resource, services, and
- >facilities that the government provides you and your family,
- >almost as if you had contracted for them.
-
- You are reaching new extremes in intellectual dishonesty.
-
- I have NO choice in these matters. That lack of choice is enforced
- by gunpoint -- an immoral act.
-
- By your twisted and sick logic, if the Mafia kidnapped me tommorow, and fed
- me food while waiting for the ransom, you'd assert that the Mafia and I have
- a "Social Contract" and they are providing me with "benefits" (the food).
- Even better, unlike the State, the food is free!!!
-
- >The solution you are so fanatic about is only one of several
- >possible ways of having groups of people interact with each
- >other, and it has its problems as well.
-
- Fanatic? I advocate a system of non-coercion for all intercourse among
- people. By "several possible ways", I assume you mean my system, fascism,
- socialism, communism. Freedom .vs. coercion.
-
-
- >P.S. to Phil: Discussion about solutions can be entertaining.
- >Talks regarding ideals can be equally entertaining. But when
- >you resort to the tactics you use, Phil, it isn't a
- >discussion, debate, or exchange of ideas. The sad part is,
- >you actually have something worthwhile to say. At least, it
- >is sad for me, for I can no longer listen to the way you say
- >it.
-
- Hurts eh? People believing in shit hate to have their cherished myths
- demolished -- especially when they believe in coercive methods.
-
- One thing in common with most of you "opponents", whether you be leftists,
- rightist, communist, socialist, fascists, or just plain old Politically
- Correct-ists, you just CAN'T STAND thought that freedom means some group
- or groups of people are going to get to do things YOU don't like.
-
- How galling.
-
-
- BTW -- your intellectual content in this post is, as usal, about zero.
-
- --
- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
- environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
-
- These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
-