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- Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups... (Re: Fear, hate, and the eternal companion, hate
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- Date: 28 Jan 93 22:58:34 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan28.003138.18020@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >
- >Whether or not "everyone holds XYZ" is meaningless here. If everyone thinks
- >the world is flat, it doesn't change the fact that the Earth is an oblate
- >spheroid.
- >
- >You have made an assertion with NO rationale.
- >
- >Consider this: There are three kinds of property, your body, your ideas,
- >and your tangible derivatives.
- >
- >Without freedom of the last two, the freedom of your body is literrally
- >meaningless!
- >
-
- 1) Your body- obviouly yours and you have dominion over it.
-
- 2) Your ideas- quite right, if they are your original ideas, but the
- rest belong to the public domain. You cannot take the idea of
- Special Relativity away from me. But it is not my original idea.
- In the general sense, most of your ideas and concepts are borrowed.
- Now you could keep ideas away from me, and that is not correct.
-
- 3) Your tangible derivatives- I only arrived here with my body. Now it
- is up to a collection of these bodies to decide what I can and can't
- have. Face that reality at least. For example, I want the whole world
- for myself only. So we have the choices of living with our freedoms
- as you state, and having to fight off any who should try to take it,
- or working as a group to assist each other in maintaining our
- liberties.
-
- So this is the philosophical mind field- when we extrapolate our
- bodily rights onto private property. For what then is to stop me
- from getting everything in world for myself- since if you try to
- stop me, you are denying me my rights to have all property as
- my private property.
-
- >
- >You have NO security or any ability to exercise freedom of your body WITHOUT
- >the other two properties & assocaited freedoms.
-
- And you have NO security or ability to exercise freedom without the
- contractual consent of everyone else. Especially those that disagree
- with your position.
-