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- From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo)
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- Subject: Re: But it is OK to coerce certain groups...
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- Date: 28 Jan 93 22:03:35 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan28.172412.3843@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >In article <1k8147INN905@morrow.stanford.edu> XA.U20@forsythe.stanford.edu (June Genis) writes:
- >>In article <1k6ftsINN1mv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>,
- >>stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU (coram populo) writes:
- > >>Number one, you live and function ( I assume ) within the
- > >>social and political structure of the US. That for one, makes
- > >>it someone compelling to become and belong to the
- > >>social/political contracts that we based the operation of our
- > >>society on. You of course, are quite free to make change via
- > >>democratic processes.
- >
- >A real life example would be the Amish. Starting in the early 1970's, when
- >the Federal State started collecting "Social Security" taxes from the
- >self-employed with a vengeance, the Amish would particularily hard hit.
- >
- >After several well publicised confiscations of Amish farms (for back "Social
- >Security" taxes), Congress passed some kind of delaying law.
- >
- >I haven't been able to follow the conclusion, but, in any case, it's not
- >germaine to the point.
- >
- >Which is -- WHAT supposed "social contract" do the Amish live under that forces
- >them to pay Social Security taxes. By all accounts, their retirement programs
- >are self-sufficient and far superior to any thing that "Social Security"
- >could evenr provide.
-
- And you are probably right in this context- but and the BUT is, somewhere
- along the line, people have allowed this process to be installed, and they
- have not changed it. It is afterall a position taken by either the majority
- or a powerful subgroup that this was the best thing we could do for all
- people involved.
-
- >
- >By their very lifestyle, surely no one could accept even this mythical
- >"Social Contract" as applying to the Amish.
- >
- >
-
- It is all very simple- you, I and everyone else posting against this concept
- of 'social contract' are unwilling, willing, blindly or whatever, going
- along with it. Now the snowballing effect, if you, I and everyone else
- wishes to live here, in these United States, then we have an obligation
- to make the system reflect what we want it to be. If you, I and everyone
- else let's this system goes, on its own, without our intervention, then
- it will turn into what you don't want.
-
- You cannot have what you want if you do not work to bring about.
-
- One of the most simple ways to bring the whole system to its knees,
- is right in your own hands- stop paying taxes, if you can convince
- 10,000, 20,000, 1,000,000 people around yourself, and others do the
- same all across the country. Then government as it is will stop and
- pay very close attention. But as we see, the majority will sit and play
- along with the whole game. And will they do anything, some small percentage
- will, the rest will not.
-
- Your choices become somewhat limited then, according to the grand
- scheme of things. If the majority does nothing to insure that the
- government does what it is suppose to do and no more, then as a famous
- quote goes-
-
- The people get the government they deserve.
-
- Now why any government or the infamous phrase 'social contract'. IMHO
- most people cannot take care of themselves or things around them, without
- being told to do so. Now granted I based this on histoical context and
- partly on what I see occuring today.
-
- Without many of the laws and regulations that are in place, we would have
- a society (actually we not have one at all) that is out of control and
- definitely based upon power leveraging (weapons).
-
- And just to bring out some other points about the so-called mythical
- social contract, tell me how you can differ and say that you are not
- part of the following;
-
- 1) Drive on the right side of the road.
- 2) Speak English
- 3) Use public parks/facilities
- 4) Read SJMN or WSJ
- 5) Wait in lines.
- 6) Use the US mails.
-
- and on and on and on.
-
- Face it, we all products of the society in which we live, it is up to
- each of us to generate individual personalities and individual accomplishments,
- but you abide by an enormous number of social rules and procedures.
-