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- From: runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan)
- Newsgroups: ba.politics
- Subject: Re: The socialist/fascist claptrap item #1: the "Social Contract"
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- Date: 28 Jan 93 17:48:10 GMT
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- Phil Ronzone (phil@netcom.com) wrote:
- >> runyan@cup.hp.com (Mark Runyan) writes:
- >>Phil Ronzone (phil@netcom.com) wrote:
- >>>Hey George, did you sign your "Social Contract"? ...
- >>>neither. Hey, how about you Tony? Did you? yeah, I've never
- >>>seen this "Social Contract" ion any kind of writing either,
- >>>much less signed one.
- >>>
- >>...It is strange that those very people
- >>who most often repudiate the analogy of the social contract
- >>do so while using the very advantages that their society
- >>gives them.
- >
- >How sad. Do you really believe this? It's the same concept that the USSR
- >used in confisticating and then taxing the Jews that wanted to leave.
-
- Yep, any one idea taken to extremes can rationalize atrocities, especially
- yours.
-
- >I am not allowed to string my own power lines, nor to take back my property
- >that the State stole and gave to the power companies so they could run
- >power lines across my property.
-
- By your reasoning, you stole resources from your parents, teachers,
- and city workers to acquire your property, so what's your problem?
-
- >>>What actually happens of course is that some set of people
- >>>gain enough control of the means of coercion to force another
- >>>set or sets of people to hand over their property at gunpoint
- >>>for the first set to dispose of.
- >>>
- >>And while you make fun of the analogy of Social Contract by
- >>asking for a piece of paper, allow me to ask for a picture of
- >>the gun pointing at you. :-)
- >
- >Oh? Stop paying your income taxes or property taxes. The State WILL come
- >and take YOUR property away, without your consent.
-
- Yep, and you continue to use those resource, services, and facilities
- that the government provides you and your family, almost as if you had
- contracted for them.
-
- The solution you are so fanatic about is only one of several possible
- ways of having groups of people interact with each other, and it has
- its problems as well.
-
- Mark Runyan
-
- P.S. to Phil: Discussion about solutions can be entertaining.
- Talks regarding ideals can be equally entertaining. But
- when you resort to the tactics you use, Phil, it isn't a
- discussion, debate, or exchange of ideas. The sad part
- is, you actually have something worthwhile to say. At
- least, it is sad for me, for I can no longer listen to
- the way you say it.
-