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- From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)
- Subject: Re: Fear, hate, and the eternal companion, hate
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.010519.8037@netcom.com>
- Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.
- References: <13961@optilink.COM> <1993Jan22.075959.2322@netcom.com> <lm0nu9INN9jt@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 01:05:19 GMT
- Lines: 82
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- In article <lm0nu9INN9jt@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> flar@bendenweyr.Eng.Sun.COM (Jim Graham) writes:
- >phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
- >>>In Georgia, they have anti-sodomy laws. Which is a way of
- >>>saying "We, the State, are going to tell you two (or N)
- >>>consenting adults what you can or can not do".
- >>>
- >If both adults agree to the act of sodomy, then they are
- >consenting.
- >
- >>>In California, they try to have AB-101 laws, Which is a way
- >>>of saying "We, the State, are going to tell you two (or N)
- >>>consenting adults what you can or can not do".
- >>>
- >Where did the homosexual agree to be discriminated against
- >because of his sexual orientation?
-
- Sigh - are you REALLY this dishonest?
-
- Tell me, since WHEN did the landlord agree to be coerced?
-
- Your logic is, well, fucked. By your logic, if John Straight does NOT
- wish to have sex with Joe Gay, then Joe Gay has been discriminated against!!!
-
- Tell me, why do you clearly see the concept of "mutual consent" in the first
- example, but become totally blind to it in the second example?
-
- >>>The two states, and those two laws, are the two sides of the
- >>>same damn coin.
- >>>
- >Only if the nature of what you call consent is the same in
- >both cases.
-
- A: I'd like to have sex with you. A: I'd like to rent your room.
- B: No thanks, you're not what I want. B: No thanks, you're not what I want.
- A: Oh well, too bad. A: Discrimination!!!!
-
- Funny how fascist mindsets can call for freedom in choosing sexual partners,
- but coercion in choosing living arrangements. I.e., we want to fuck WHAT we
- want to fuck, and FUCK anybody that doesn't like 'cause we're going to
- force them to deal with us.
-
-
- >>>Which is why it is refreshing to see the Colorado voters
- >>>start to put a stop to this nonsense of "victimology".
- >>>
- >The Colorado law prevents Colorado voters from passing a
- >particular kind of law. That sounds like coercion. If they
- >don't want the law, then why don't they just not vote for it?
-
- Again, your logic sucks. Coercion is the initiation of force. The Colorado
- law PREVENTS coercive laws from being passed. To say that a law that prevents
- initiation of coercion IS coercion is 1984-doublespeak.
-
- In any case, the BEST kinds of laws are those that explicitly prevent
- coercive laws from being passed. As you don't seem to know, our Constitution
- is full of such things. I.e., "Congress shall pass no law ./..
-
-
- >The Colorado law also prohibits laws that prevent
- >discrimination against homosexuals, but it does not prohibit
- >laws that prevent discrimination against heterosexuals.
- >Weren't you just complaining about asymmetrical legislation
- >in the hate crimes legislation discussion?
-
- It dioes no such thing. It prevents laws from being passed which have the
- effect of granting "new [supposed] rights" to minority, such "rights"
- being usable ONLY by initiation of coercion against other people.
-
- Coloradans can still discriminate against me, by say, refusing to rent to
- people taller than 6'2".
-
- Of course, I do believe that the law does not prevent localities from
- passing anti-6'2"-rental laws, but then, if you were honest, you would
- have to admit that such laws would be ridiculous.
-
-
-
-
- --
- I believe Gennifer Flowers.
-
- These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
-