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- From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)
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- Subject: Re: concertising
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.052836.13290@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 05:28:36 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.113722.11527@vax.oxford.ac.uk> wilcox@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
- >In article <1993Jan19.222226.12650@Princeton.EDU>, roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) writes:
-
- >[Yawn! We'll be rid of this one day]
-
- >> Now, that's 30 years ago. It may very well be that the word has
- >> fallen out of favor. But sightings in America and England in
- >> general contexts (i.e., not the places where jargon appears)
- >> for a century (OED citations, the above, and this one) gainsay
- >> any accusations of "jargon," "non-word," "neologism," "sloppy,"
- >> etc.
-
- >Can you provide the OED citations please, or at least give references for them?
-
- Like, they don't have an OED at your institution? 8-)
-
- >So far my quotation of David Mellor and your (deleted) reference to an American
- >book have been our only printed examples, apart from the performer's biog which
- >started this whole thing off.
-
- OK:
-
- First citation is from 1883, in a metaphoric use marked off in quote marks:
- farm animals 'concertizing.' This indicates that the word already existed
- in its non-metaphoric use; it would be weird to invent a word for the purpose
- of using it metaphorically, without establishing its simple meaning. This
- is American, from Harper's Magazine.
-
- Next, an English one, a report of a Belgian violinist (not Ysaye) coming
- to England to concertize. This is from 1885, cited in a book on
- language (I think): Ware's _Passing English_ of 1909. _Pall Mall_,
- a London magazine used it in 1888 and 1889, the first time quoting the
- child prodigy Josef Hofmann, the second time just reporting about Anton
- Rubinstein. Alfred Einstein (a distant cousin of mine) used it in
- _Music in the Romantic Era_ in 1947. Norton's editors didn't mind.
-
- There seems to be a second meaning, which OED doesn't explicitly
- acknowledge: a transitive form meaning "to make a concert version of."
- Examples regarding spirituals (_THe Observer_, 1928) and Gershwin (Ulanov's
- _History of Jazz in America_, 1952) are given. Note that the earlier one
- is English (and that it uses quote marks to set off the attempt at coinage).
-
- OED gives "colloq." for the word, but the uses in books such as Einstein
- and Schonberg would suggest that "informal" might be more precise.
- AHD3 and W3NID make no such comments, but simply give the word with
- an undated citation.
-
- Incidentally, only the 1883, 1888, and 1889 items are in Murray's 'C'
- volume. I don't know whether he considered the word to be 'colloq.'
-
- Roger
-