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- From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell)
- Subject: Re: God exists. Proof within.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.091859.16148@netcom.com>
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 09:18:59 GMT
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- zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell) writes:
- >robm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rob McCool) writes:
-
- >>This example is not a good one. The THEORY of Relativity is just that: a
- >> theory. It has not been proven, even though the tests we are currently
- >> able to use show that it is true. However, there are a lot of holes in
- >> the theory which are unknown, and they remain precisely that. Unknown.
- >> To say that these holes must act how we expect them to is speculation
- >> and inference, not fact or logic. If one of these holes is disproven,
- >> another theory will come along. And it will be just that. A theory.
-
- >Science and Religion are treated very differently in that respect. Look
- >at the THEORY of Evolution. Yet many atheists out there cite it as
- >FACT. School board can teach the THEORY of Evolution, but not the THEORY
- >of Creation. Well, if it's only a Theory, then they should examine other
- >theories as well. I don't want to start a seperation of church and state
- >argument :) but my point is that many (most?) people will use an unproven
- >theory put forth by science as absolute, irrefutable, can't be any other
- >way FACT, while a religious theory is judged by the fact that not everything
- >is there, so it's false. At least, that is the mindset I see a lot. Nothing
- >will be accomplished in these discussions until the bias as gone.
-
- Nothing will be accomplished by this particular argument *ever*.
- It demonstrates an incredible ignorance on the part of the speaker.
- (You're posting from an *edu* site???!!?)
-
- A theory is a model of reality, or some part of it. While many people
- use the word "theory" when they mean anything from "hypothesis" to
- "wild-ass guess", the theories of evolution and relativity are not in
- this category. They are based on verifiable observation (not unverifiable
- revelation), and can be used to predict or relate observations that will
- be made in the future. These further observations may allow refinements
- in an existing theory, or force the formation of others, but in all cases,
- observation drives the process, while inspiration integrates it. In the
- case of so-called "creation theory", inspiration drives the process, and
- observation is forced to conform, even when it doesn't.
-
- In legitimate discussions, the word "theory" isn't used casually.
- Human beings live by forming accurate theories and using them. They die
- or live in misery and squalor when they undercut their means of survival by
- saying ridiculous things like "It's just a theory." How many newspaper
- and magazine articles have you read that talk about some wretched corner
- of the earth that is described as "...one of the poorest, but most religious
- parts of this country..." It's almost a cliche'. There's enough evidence
- that one might be able to construct a theory based on these observations.
-
- Unless, of course, one is blind and deaf and has an IQ expressed in
- strongly negative numbers.
-
- Steve abell@netcom.com
-