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- From: solan@smaug.uio.no (Svein Olav G. Nyberg)
- Subject: Re: Premises of "objectivism?"
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.132736.25136@ulrik.uio.no>
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- Reply-To: solan@smaug.uio.no (Svein Olav G. Nyberg)
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- References: <TORKEL.93Jan20192830@bast.sics.se> <1993Jan21.144005.26462@nynexst.com> <TORKEL.93Jan22120745@echnaton.sics.se>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 13:27:36 GMT
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- In article <TORKEL.93Jan22120745@echnaton.sics.se>, torkel@sics.se
- (Torkel Franzen) writes:
- |> In article <1993Jan22.101229.15861@ulrik.uio.no> solan@smaug.uio.no
- |> (Svein Olav G. Nyberg) writes:
- |>
- |> >I have noticed that my argument differs from Baruch's. But if
- |> >it is MY argument you find inadequate, I challenge you to show
- |> >what you claim.
- |>
- |> I take it you're referring to your suggestion that a sentence, to be
- |> meaningful, must be "built from elements already possessing meaning".
- |> This suggestion, while natural enough, is inadequate as it stands
- |> since it does not by itself constitute any theory of truth or meaning
- |> such as philosophers look for, but can only serve as a starting point
- |> for such a theory. For example, it is not at all clear how you propose
- |> to reply to Keith Ramsay's comments, nor what follows from your
- |> principle applied to such sentences as "this sentence is meaningless"
- |> or "this is an English sentence", nor what kind of hierarchical
- |> construction is presupposed in "already".
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- Your example above falls under the criticism from my last letter.
- It does not build meaning from the bottom and up. A sure test on
- whether meaning is built from bottom and up is whether or not you
- get infinite recursion when you try to go from the top and down.
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- Somewhat like Foundation in ZF. Only don't take concepts to be sets.
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- For my answer to Keith Ramsay, see my answer to Keith Ramsay.
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- Solan
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