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- From: czeller@ih-nxt04.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher M Zeller)
- Subject: Re: what i think of ayn rand
- References: <1993Jan26.172804.1992@sctc.com>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:33:04 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan26.172804.1992@sctc.com> smith@sctc.com (Rick Smith)
- writes:
- > >Robert B. MacMillan <RMACMIL@auvm.american.edu> writes:
- >
- > Despite Rand's glorification of reason and logic, her writing style is
- > highly charged with emotion. She advocates emotional repression at the
- > same time that she manipulates one's emotions in favor of her point of
- > view. The objective message is anti-fascist but the subjective message
- > is emotionally coercive.
- Emotionally coercive?! Isn't that what rhetoric is all about? Without
- any set form of mathematical, logical meathod for proving a philosophy
- that is all we are left with. Her meathods are one of necessity, but they
- are no different than those used by anyone who has ever given a speech
- or wrote a pursuasive essay in their life. The way you say it makes it
- sound like she is some sort of deceptive sphengali controlling the minds
- of millions of supporters. That is just simply untrue.
-
- > While this doesn't match any "political" definition of fascism, it is
- > an attack on one's ability to think logically about the issues. This
- > is a propagandistic approach to rhetoric. For obvious historical
- > reasons, many people associate such rhetoric with coercive government,
- > i.e. fascism. In other words, they're reacting to Rand's actions
- > rather than her words.
-
- If this is true then it must also be true for you as well, after all, you
- are using the same meathod right now when you are trying to prove your
- point. But then again so am I. That is not to say it is bad, it is a
- mere fact of life given the poor pursuasive tools that language provides.
-
- >
- > It's incredible how well her style worked, as evidenced by hordes of
- > Randites who honestly believed that true individualism required word
- > for word agreement with everything she said. Fascinating.
-
- For your infromation, not everyone who follows Rand agrees on everything,
- neither do they agree with everything that Rand says. If this were no
- so, we wouldn't even have this service. We would all just read her
- novels and repeate them. I don't think that is what is happening here.
- Sure we all agree on the basic philosophy, but that is no more coercive
- than any other nation or culture. Stop trying to find evil plots in
- everything. You aren't likely to be very successful.
-
- Chris Zeller
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