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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Feminism vs. the Sexual Revolution (was: Are special programs sexist/racist? (long)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.193103.9317@netcom.com>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 19:31:03 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.164850.29053@hellgate.utah.edu> galt%peruvian.cs.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan21.202055.14608@netcom.com> sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) writes:
- >>Interesting, indeed! This is a consequence of the so-called "sexual revolution,"
- >>the relaxation of long-standing sexual taboos. The mainstream of contemporary
- >>feminism stands four-square AGAINST the sexual revolution; Robin Morgan
- >>has stated this quite explicitly, as have others. You see, now that the
- >>old sexual taboos are gone, women are now receiving (gasp!) SEXUAL ADVANCES
- >>from men, which is more or less criminal. There is not the slightest doubt
- >>that contemporary feminists are mostly working to make sex (actually,
- >>just hetero sex) pretty much taboo once again, although not in the same way
- >>as before. (Old taboo: "It's sinful! Licentious! Shameful!" New taboo:
- >>"It's sexual harrassment and objectification!") Paglia covers the war
- >>between feminism and the sexual revolution in her new book "Sex, Art, and
- >>American Culture."
- >
- >It is UNWANTED sexual advances that are considered harrassment.
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- How does one find out that they are unwanted but by asking?
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- > I know it
- >is hard for many men to understand why unwanted sexual advances might be
- >bad, but imagine if your male boss patted your butt and greeted you with
- >"aren't you handsome today" and kept saying that you looked like you had
- >a delicious penis. How would that make you feel?
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- You are equating gay advances with a straight man with a heterosexual
- man trying to have sex with a heterosexual woman. This is not a valid
- comparison.
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- >Some gay men might like that sort of attention, but most heterosexual men
- >would be very upset.
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- But you are comparing apples to the constellation of Orion.
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- >Imagine that you were very lucky to get the job, and you need it desparately
- >to support your family, and you think that you might get fired if you
- >object to strongly to the advances.
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- Wait, I thouht the issue was equal pay for equal work, not need.
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- >----
- >Join the Greg Alt boycott! Put /galt/h :j in your killfile today!
- >----
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- Rich
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