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- From: libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism,soc.women
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <1951@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 15:37:07 GMT
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- maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley) writes:
- : In article <C145K6.MDz@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- : |In article <1jhfhbINNdim@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> maufd@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr J S Graley) writes:
- : |
- : |>| The fact that that you can cite specific individual examples, doesn't
- : |>| mean that it's true as a rule. As I said in an earlier posting, *I*
- : |>| know women who are attracted to abusive bozos, and I know abusive
- : |>| bozos and and I hope they're very happy together. But I also know
- : |>| plenty of nice guys with happy marriages to women they love.
- : |>
- : |>Are you in any more of a position to disprove the assertion than I am to
- : |>prove it?
- : |
- : | ( Why do I have to re-explain this on every newsgroup? ) Don't they
- : | teach logic where you come from?
- :
- : You talk about logic rather a lot, for a dumb shit.
- :
- : I have been taught about logic. Let's see if _my_ idea of logic matches
- : yours.
- :
- : (1) We cannot ever prove an assertion about the real world. The only proofs
- : we can make are within logical systems where the definitions are commonly
- : accepted.
- :
- : (2) There is bound to be a certain vagueity in the definitions of
- : concepts within debates on subjects such as sociology, politics,
- : morals and so on. Thus our arguments, whilst mirroring logical proofs,
- : can only be said to have a high likleyhood of being true.
- :
- : (3) There are many ways in which somebody's argument can be invalid. A
- : disagreement on the definitions (for example the definition of what is
- : morally correct) and a mistake in the deductions. It is my belief that
- : the former is far more prevailant.
- :
- : Now you go on about documentation. Are you not familiar with how easy it is
- : to fiddle and misuse statistics etc? Would you regard it as your 'proof' if
- : I made up a newspaper article about it?
- :
- : I really am surprised that you can't see how a weak definition of feminism
- : is fraudulent. At the end of the day, if you refuse to see sense, that's
- : your lookout. Other people see the point.
- :
- : ~THE GREAT NAME
- : --
- : Don't worry,
- : Its like in the comic books...
- : ITS NOT REAL!
-
- But, you complete jackass, YOU HAVEN'T EVEN MADE ANY ARGUMENTS!
- You've made assertions, and refused to provide any evidence for
- them. You've stated that anybody who refuses to take each of
- your unsupported assertions as gospel. You've attacked some
- personal vision you have of feminism, and refused to tell
- anybody what that definition is. You've spouted blanket
- generalizations and demanded that others either accept them or
- rigorously disprove them. Please finish your freshman logic
- seminar, learn to argue rationally, or shut the hell up and
- stop bothering the grownups, Mr. Name.
-
- Bill
-
-