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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.172648.22596@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <1993Jan17.014306.7372@adobe.com> <1993Jan20.012450.17072@intacc.uucp> <1993Jan23.024210.22089@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:26:48 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan23.024210.22089@leland.Stanford.EDU> farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan20.012450.17072@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
- >>Janice, I wish every woman would think as you do. Unfortunately, in the
- >>sphere of people I happen to run across, the stereotype of the woman with
- >>the self centered abusive/mysoginst asshole is prevalent enough make me
- >>depressed sometimes. I even know of woman who stick with their *physically*
- >>abusive partners through thick and thin. These men typically have something
- >>about them (i dunno....nice car? money? idunno) that I suppose makes them
- >>desirable (good bodies? good cooking? idunno). Virtually all of these men
- >>that I might talk to in private refer to women as 'them bitches' or other
- >>derogatory terms. THey *know* that they have this 'charm' or whatever it is
- >>to "get the babes".
- >>
- >>About 4 years ago I think I almost became brainwashed into thinking that
- >>YES, perhaps if I was a jerk like these other guys then women would pay
- >>attention to me. But then instructional wisdom reasoned out that I might
- >>not want to be close to a woman who would be attracted to an abusive SOB
- >>anyway.
- >>
- >>What I am trying to say is that it is not totally unfounded for many men
- >>to perceive that women DON'T like 'nice guys'.
- >>
- >>363 months on this planet and still optimistic that there are many more
- >>women like Janice out there.............
- >
- >Oh, come on!
- >
- >And women don't see men out with women who are pretty and nothing
- >else? I bet I can find a "nice girl" woman for every "nice guy" man.
-
- >I know plenty of great women who are looking for men only to be told
- >they're too fat, or too old, or too educated, or not pretty enough to
- >be considered dating material.
-
- It sounds like you are re-stating the material about the jerks [by definition
- male].
-
- BTW, "great" is an opinion. I know many great women who I would not find
- desirable as a mate.
-
- >I also know men who seem to choose women who will screw them over. I
- >had a male friend who was crazy about a woman.
-
- If a woman chooses abusive man, the men are held responsible. If a man
- chooses abusive women, who gets the blame? This one is easy.
-
- > On their third date,
- >she said that she wasn't enjoying the date and would prefer to have
- >stayed home alone. Then to add insult to injury, she said that she
- >really was interested in dating this other man. He took her home.
- >Did he stop calling her? Did he say, "What a bitch! That's the last
- >time I'll call her!"? No way. He kept asking her out and, if she
- >didn't have anything better to do, she kept going out with him. After
- >hearing this lament from him for a couple of months, I finally asked
- >him why he kept asking her out. Because she was so pretty and how
- >impressed his friends were with her (and him).
-
- I know of a similar situation. Two in fact. Essentially these are nothing
- more then personal decisions, even if they have negative aspects.
-
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-
- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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