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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Men doing Male Bashing
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.171423.21927@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <1993Jan18.072911.15112@leland.Stanford.EDU> <93018.090052RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <C19vv5.B6y@hplntx.hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:14:23 GMT
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- In article <C19vv5.B6y@hplntx.hpl.hp.com> albert@hpl.hp.com (Joseph Albert) writes:
- >In article <93018.090052RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
- >>
- >>From: farthing@leland.Stanford.EDU (ljf)
- >>Subject: Re: Men doing Male Bashing
- >>-
- >>-I do think whites as a class benefit from racism in this country.
- >>-
- >> Farthing is confusing benefits and a lack of loss....
- >
- >True, but the correct argument to demonstrate that whites as a class benefit
- >(in some ways) from racism is that by oppressing certain other groups, members
- >of those groups are offered less access to economic resources, which in turn
- >maintains a larger majority of the economic pie available to be divided up
- >among whites as a class.
-
- There are limits to free spending money, but you can always invent another
- "ecomonic pie". The Japanese did it with VCRs. The problem with arguments
- of this sort is that they must necessarily ignore any successful minority
- groups, because they claim anti-<non-minority> bias. Most asians are doing
- just fine. The Chinese were brought over as indentured servants to build
- the railroads. Why are they not in the same boat as the blacks?
-
- I suspect that problem is culture. Not ours, but the native African
- culture many hold on to. A friend spent several years in Swaziland with the
- Peace Corps. When he got back, I was amazed at how slow he spoke and acted.
- These cultures are alien to life in America. And from what I have seen
- in TV specials, and from exposure to teachers, in many black schools,
- you will get beat up at school for acting like whitey and getting an
- education. It is actively discouraged in many school's, massive peer
- pressure is exerted to not learn. Is it any wonder that these children
- cannot compete in the job market years later?
-
- What about busing? Has that improved the education situation? It seems
- not. In fact, it seems that at great cost, we have degraded education
- overall.
-
- Social problems in minority groups will not be fixed by blaming another
- group.
-
- >I put in the note (in some ways) above because I believe that in the long
- >run, we all lose from racism, if we believe in the capitalist tenet that
- >given the opportunity, people will flourish and create a whole that is
- >bigger for everyone.
- >
- >Joseph Albert
- >albert@hplabs.hp.com
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- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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